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1 | Does Satan Really Exist? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 166187 | ||
Drbloor, Your logic is the same as those that deny the Triune nature of God. "Unless you can show me a verse that says. . ." The fact that the Bible speaks of Satan as an individual teaches his individuality: Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? These are not words that describe a man alive in during the time of Tyre: Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. "thou wast the annointed cherub" How much of a clearer passage do you want describing the fall of an angel? Remember, God is sovereign. That is a clear teaching of the Bible. Act 4:24 And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, "Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 1Ti 6:15 which he will display at the proper time--he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, Consider what it means to be Sovereign King of Kings. It means He has final say. On everything. James plants responsibility for sin squarely where it belongs - on the sinner. But he in no wise states a non-belief in Satan, and even says we are enticed. That is something that Satan does to tempt, he entices. The Bible most certainly teaches the creation, fall, and existance of Satan: Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. and best of all, his final judgment. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Does Satan Really Exist? | Bible general Archive 3 | drbloor | 166195 | ||
Mark, Again, thanks for the quick answer! Without going into it again, please see my longer answer regarding Ezekiel 28, posted today. I have addressed the points you mentioned here, and it is evident that the remarkable leap you have to make to put Satan in Ezekiel 28 does not hold up under scrutiny. As for Revelation 20, I would argue that the Book of Revelation is a book of symbolic prophecy - not literal prophecy. I have, amongst others, a book written by Sir Isaac Newton "The Prophecies of Daniel and The Apocalypse" that puts this case very well. Newton, who actually wrote more about Scripture than about science, identifies the dragon of Revelation 12 with pagan Rome, and not Satan at all. If we believe that Revelation should be taken literally then we are all in enormous trouble, because actual stars are going to fall out of the sky onto the Earth (Rev 8:10, Rev 9:1 and Rev 12:4). If one is Sol, then it could arrive anytime soon, but the next closest star, Proxima Centauri could be a while, as it would take over 4 years to get here even if it began travelling at the speed of light immediately. However if Sol does decide to plunge into our planet anytime soon we will not, strictly speaking, be all that bothered about when the next one gets here. It does not make sense to begin picking and choosing what you decide is literal or figurative in Revelation, especially when a huge tracts of it can be categorically proved to be figurative. Furthermore, you have now created a direct contradiction now between Ezekiel 28 and Revelation 20. How can Satan "die", become "ashes on the earth" and not "be any more" in Ezekiel whilst at the same time be eternally tormented alive in a lake of fire in Revelation? The only way I can see to resolve THAT problem is that Ezekiel must be the false prophet joining Satan in the lake of fire...!! And finally, under no circumstance at all could Revelation 20 teach the creation and fall of Satan, as Revelation 1:1 tells us that the things of The Revelation are to happen after the Revelation, not before. So that would date any creation and fall you mention sometime after AD 70. Okay, it's late and I have posted far too much today! Good luck with all that and take care, Dr. B. |
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3 | Does Satan Really Exist? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166199 | ||
Regarding Ezekiel 28. There is something in the Bible that is know as “duel prophecy”. Here are a couple of examples. Mal 4:5 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. Mal 4:6 "He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse." Here we have an example of a duel prophecy. And here’s the proof: Matt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" Matt 17:11 And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things; Matt 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Matt 17:13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. In Matthew 17:11 Jesus says “Elijah is coming and will restore all things…” but then He says “but I say to you that Elijah already came”. Two prophecies in one. One applies to John the Baptist, and another to someone “before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.” Another duel prophecy is that of the destruction of the temple at the hands of the Romans, and the second coming of Christ, found in Matthew chapter 24. Ezekiel 28, IS talking about the king of Tyre, and yet simultaneously about the fall of Lucifer. Ocelot |
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