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1 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 185739 | ||
Greetings John! The point I was trying to make was quite simple. God's elect had made the claim that a church which practiced speaking in tongues was unbiblical in it's practices. I was simply trying to demonstrate that his position is not Scriptural. My post to him made the points. 1) Tongues is one of the gifts of the Spirit. 2) Not everyone speaks in tongues. 3) Those who do are appointed by God. 4) All of the gifts are given to edify the church. 5) We are commanded to not forbid the speaking in tongues. 6) Paul spoke in tongues. 7) Paul described tongues as one of the normative parts of the worship service. In light of all these Scriptural facts, how could a church be unbiblical simply because they allow speaking in tongues. :-) Thus, God's elect's position was a personal one, not a Scriptural one. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185751 | ||
Hello Tim, Thank you brother, That is, sort of, what I was referring to when I said I thought you wanted to defend their right, sorry, I was not clear on that one. It is hard to be explicit in a small space, and say all that is on ones mind. (that would be 'alleged' mind in my case) ;-) In any event, I do support your position, And you have said it very clearly, all very well, and supported by scripture. And I can certainly appreciate wanting to keep it scriptural, as mere opinion can sometimes be quite tainted by emotion. Thank you. Now having said that, I would appreciate very much everyones consideration of the following. This has been a subject that I have spent many hours in pryer, meditation, supplication, and study. Early on, as I had only been a Christian a very short time, I was involved in a church that practiced tongues, among other questionable things. This was a very difficult time for me. I wanted to be in God's will, and do the things that they were trying to teach me, but the more I looked at all these issues it became more clear that it was not scriptural. They told me that if God had not moved on me with the gift to speak in tongues, that I should just practice making sounds on my own, and God would then guide me, and His Spirit would take over if I made the first effort. Hmm, I had to think that one over. So, to the Bible for guidance, I had no-wear else to run. And they would say, oh, so, confidently, don't be afraid, we were afraid at first too! And that small voice was saying, " If you take it, its not a gift!" "Be careful my son." They tried also teach me that I should go up front an get slain in the Spirit, Just giving it all up to God. This would give me the confidence I needed to trust God, and start practicing my pryer language, (Tongues). Hmm, Were could I find that in Scripture? Back to the Bible I went. Were else? Also they would say things like," you know John, of course because we are born again, and the Spirit of God lives in you, your spirit and the Holly Spirit, are one, your spirit, cannot be possessed by a demon",... (man, thats good news! .. right?)... "But." ... "However;" ... "One could, for-instance, ... live in your big toe!" (I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP!) And was told, that we all needed to see a faith healer from time to time to have the little fellows cast out, they called it, deliverance, hmmm, sounds like the name of a bad movie. OK; Back to tongues, I believe, that this (pryer language) is given to some. I also believe, that probably ninety nine, out of an hundred, do not have it!! The ones that I have known, that I believe have truly been given this gift,... add up to one. And she would do it in privet, and never in a worship service, as she believed it would be disruptive, and not edify anyone but herself. Hows that for scriptural? 1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. 4 One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. And one thing we can consider in Paul's teaching, is that it was very common in toughs days, to have someone at a gathering that just didn't speak the same language. hmm. So, this was a woman, who had many, inconceivably horrible events happen in her life. And I believe God Had given to her this pryer language to comfort her, as it would be a way for her to forget, and just have sweet fellowship with our Lord. Not 'very' Scriptural I know, much hear-in is my tainted opinion. May I say this, I still have fellowship with the people in that church, I love them all very much. I just don't go for sunday service. 1 Cor 12:23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. Let us therefore 'not' forsake fellowship, and be graceful to all. God bless. John |
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3 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185752 | ||
Hi John, While I have a great appreciation for what you are saying, I'm not sure that we should forsake part of what God gives due to the abuses of some. Consider for a moment another example. Shall we stop teaching and receiving communion because of the false and distorted teachings and practices of many within the professing church? I would say not. And there are distorted teachings and practices of many aspects of Biblical Christianity. And if we were to have a different segment of the population on this forum, there would be less controversy over speaking in tongues, but greater controversy over other matters, such as communion. But I don't believe we should discard a Biblically taught practice because of abuses. We do need to make sure we are grounded in the Scripture, that we practice all that we do in a Scriptural fashion, and that we do all in love for Christ, and love for each other. I have heard many times what I believed to be a false "speaking in tongues". I have heard what I believe to be a true "speaking in tongues. My wife speaks in tongues, but I have never heard her do so. For her, it is strictly personal between her and God. I never wish to argue with someone who does not believe in the gifts for today. But I will always proclaim the truth of the Bible, which I think Tim did earlier. It saddens me to see the church, the true church, failing to use the gifts God has given for its building up. Without His "spiritual gifts", the empowering of the Holy Spirit that enables us to powerfully act, how are we able to minister to each other as we ought? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185755 | ||
Hello mark, aah, I think that is what I was saying. Trying to at least. Maybe read it again without assuming that I am against speaking in tongues? Thanks for the insight by the way. But your preaching to the choir! God bless, John |
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5 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185759 | ||
Thank you, John, I realize my mistake. I think I was thinking (if I was thinking at all. . .) that you were lumping true tongues in with the other stuff, but not so. Seems like we're on the same page. Love in Christ, Mark |
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6 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185766 | ||
Amen my brother! I am grateful to our Lord that your wife Has been given this wonderful gift! And what a mysterious wonder it it is! Thank you Tim. God bless. John |
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