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1 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 185156 | ||
Greetings STJ! You quoted the three points I listed as guidelines for making a decision regarding sexual practices in marriage. The first one was that no practice can be allowed in marriage that is specifically condemned in Scripture. Adultery is condemned. Promiscuity is condemned. Bestiality is condemned. These, and other practices explicitly condemned in Scripture are never allowable. My second point was that a sexual practice must be consensual. No spouse has the right to force a spouse to do anything that he or she is not comfortable or willing to do. Finally, I made the point that nothing physically harmful is permitted. At which point, did I say that if something feels good, do it? :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185157 | ||
Dear Tim, Here is my quote verbatim. "I am sorry but this sounds a lot like your saying, if it feels good,..... DO IT!" Obviously I did not say that you said it. However; Not only does it (sound) Like you are saying. If it feels good do it. It also (sounds) like you are implying, that we should make are own judgments on morality. Shouldn't we say to a young couple, that first and foremost that they should go to the one that can make moral judgments for us? Should we not say to them go to God in pryer, and ask God? Maybe you do and I am jumping the gun? I hope so brother. It just seems so easy today to get caught up in 'modern morality'. what with all we see on TV and read in magazines today. Sometimes it is very hard, even for someone who thinks they are in God's will, to get caught up in this sort of 'modern morality' thing. I find myself, sometimes getting of track with God, and making my own Judgments. We all do it! In the world but not of it, But none the less in it. and there is no getting away until we are out of this skin. In no way is sex in the marriage bed sin. But God, after all, invented sex for one reason; procreation. He just happened to make it feel good, and probably because, otherwise we wouldn't do it. I am certain, it would be to much trouble, if it didn't feel so good. It should be treated with utmost respect, sensitivity, and decency. And when the act is done it should be done with God in Mind, as in all that we do. Do it for Him! This will 'insure', that it will be done with, utmost respect, sensitivity, and decency. The union of a loving couple, is one of God's most beautiful creations, and where man and woman are made one physically. and adds to spiritual union as well. Remember;... He Is in bed with you! No offense Brother speaking in love. God Bless. John |
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3 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 185158 | ||
Hello stj, First of all let me say I appreciate your participation on the forum. While I don't agree with everything you write, it's nice to have a fresh "voice" posting regularly. And by the way, there are very few who I do agree with everything they write and that's only because I haven't yet read the thing that I and they will disagree on, so no offense I hope. Regarding your declaration, however, that "In no way is sex in the marriage bed sin" I would have to start there with disagreement in your most recent post. That said, I will simply refer you back to brother Tim's post. I'm sure if I were to force sex on my wife she would believe it to be sin and so would God according to His word. I would have violated not only the vows of marriage, but the principals set forth in Scripture concerning a husbands responsibilities to his wife (see Eph chapter 5) Another point that requires redirection is the statement that "But God, after all, invented sex for one reason; procreation." This argument is a misrepresentation of Scripture (please read the entirety of Song of Solomon). To be sure, among the blessings of marriage is the enjoyment a husband and wife find in the physical enjoyment of one another. Furthermore, your comment seems to contradict your later statement " The union of a loving couple, is one of God's most beautiful creations, and where man and woman are made one physically. and adds to spiritual union as well." I do, by the way, fully agree with that statement. Hope this is helpful, God Bless, Jeff |
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4 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185160 | ||
Hello Jeff; First of all brother, I would also like to thank you for your gracious comments, and remind you as well that there is certainly no offense intended. But this can be a sensitive issue. I 'must' categorically disagree with your statement. (('Another point that requires redirection is the statement that "But God, after all, invented sex for one reason; procreation." This argument is a misrepresentation of Scripture (please read the entirety of Song of Solomon).)) It is not a misrepresentation of scripture. And it is my intention to do the redirecting. Where in the story of creation do you find the song of Solomon? The purpose of the song of Solomon, is to teach us that sex, the way that God intended it, is a beautiful thing, and nothing els. I have read the song of solomon, and I fail to see your point there. Other then playful dalliances, I can find nothing, other then normal copulation. And it doesn't mention it, but it is obviously implied. Maybe you could show me my contradiction, I don't follow you? Should we not tell God's own children to pray? what am I missing? Is there something wrong with respect, sensitivity, and decency? Are we not to do 'all' things for The glory of God? Are you saying God made sex just for fun? If He is in us, and we are in Him is He not in bed with us ? Does He wait outside the door? Brother Im confused, please help? Where can a child of God disagree with any of that? And may I add that nowhere, was I implying; forcing sex. And that is not the issue here at all. (And I know full well, that you are not saying that I did. But I obviously have to be careful not to give you something els to argue.) I am talking about sex the way God Intended it, and to add that to the argument is very frankly; childish. One more place we see our flesh made one, that I forgot to mention, by the way, is when little willy and sally comes along. God Bless. John |
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5 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | humbledbyhisgrace | 185164 | ||
Greetings Brother! John, consider 1 Corinthians 7:3-5. The affection in verse 3 and the depriving in verse 5 and the warning to come together so Satan does not tempt is not speaking to procreation. 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (NKJV) 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 7:4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 7:5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Also, consider the following scriptures Genesis 2:23-24 (NKJV) 23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." 24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Matthew 19:3-6 (NKJV) 3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" 4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." 1 Corinthians 6:15-19 (NKJV) 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For "the two," He says, "shall become one flesh." 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? Ephesians 5:25-33 (NKJV) 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. There is a coming together of the husband and wife with no intent or thought of procreation. Granted, procreation is a big part of God's intent of the marriage but there is more to it then that. The two become one and it is God’s intent that it remain that way (Matthew 19:6). There is a unity of the two and it is likened to the relationship of Christ and His Church (Ephesians5:25-33). So there is more to it the procreation and sex. You sort of left your teaching on the two points below just hanging and I believe this is why Jeff felt the need to redirect so that any reading along do not walk away with the wrong impressions. " In no way is sex in the marriage bed sin. " "But God, after all, invented sex for one reason; procreation." By Faith, Steve |
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6 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185167 | ||
My dear Steve, Thank you for the lesson. I am in complete and total agreement with God's Word. I however know full well, and understand very clearly, the implications, and dangers, of depriving ones spouse of affection. But it doesn't take a biologist, to know that sex is for procreation. God just happened to make it feel good. This is just very basic common sense. The act itself, and the feeling of physical gratification, are two very separate, and Very different things. I am afraid you all have mist my point altogether. if you would like to continue discussion on this subject, please reread my previous posts, an then maybe answer some of my pertinent questions. Instead of finding therein some point of contention. None of you seem to have seriously considered any of them. I am truly sorry you have found it so difficult, to find agreement. Evidently I am coming across as quite prudish. So, will take my unsophisticated self, out of this discussion, ....Sorry Boys. When you can wax axiomoniously maybe we can continue.... Very cute Hank. buy the way, and very clever. I am surprised that you would not take this seriously. I could make a suggestion for you to doith...... Just kiding brother. I am having a good time, it would be nice to hear an amen though. God's peace, and grace to all. John |
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7 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | hobbs | 185186 | ||
Dear John, I don't believe that you counsel married couples who are past the age for having children to refrain from copulation. Would you? The delight of the marriage bed is well documented in Song Of Songs Song 1:1 The Song of Songs, which is Solomon's. Song 1:2 "May he kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine. Song 1:3 "Your oils have a pleasing fragrance, Your name is like purified oil; Therefore the maidens love you. Song 1:4 "Draw me after you and let us run together! The king has brought me into his chambers." "We will rejoice in you and be glad; We will extol your love more than wine. Rightly do they love you." |
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8 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185187 | ||
dear Hobbs; Thank you. But that is not the issue. The thing that we all have been dancing around is... Is oral a sin?.... I believe it is. I don't fall for modern morality. Call me an unsophisticated square. You can read between the lines of that passage if you want to, that is up to you. God bless. John |
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9 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | hobbs | 185189 | ||
Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master [1] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess [2] to God.” 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. |
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10 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185192 | ||
Hello Hobbs; Thanks again! Brother I'm not Judging. That's God's Job. Just saying what I believe..... Brother I think this thread has run its corse. If you don't mind? No offense brother. |
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11 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | hobbs | 185194 | ||
Please do't take it personly John. I was simply laying down a scripturaly founded principle that I thought would give us all some scriptual meat to chew on. Do you think Romans 14 is applicable to our conversation? |
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12 | They are married,is it sin to have oral? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185197 | ||
Hi Hobbs; I didn't brother no problem! I appreciate the opportunity to get of that subject, and again I am not judging. one more thing though I personally asked God in pryer, if was a sin, and although I cant show it in scripture, He made very real to me, what was in His heart. Take it as it is brother. Its up to you. Romans 14 is a guideline for Christians to live by, but it may not apply to our conversation, And sense I am not judging any one, it does not apply to me in reference to this subject. My intent is to shed light on something that I believe, is unprofitable. All things are permissible but not all are profitable. Do you feel like you are being judged brother? If you do its not me. God bless John |
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