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1 | nature of the holy spirit of god | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 180056 | ||
Greetings Gdh1127! Thanks for the reply! May I respond to your points? If I remember correctly, you mentioned that you have not had training in Greek. Allow me to point out something which may be causing some confusion and something which also points to the personhood of the Holy Spirit. The 'gender' of nouns is more a function of form than anything else. What do I mean by this? Nouns must have a form connected with them, thus some nouns are masculine, some nouns are feminine, while others are neuter. In some cases, the reason for the gender is obvious. For instance, 'man' is masculine, while 'woman' is feminine. :) In other cases, though, the reason is not apparent. 'Spirit' is neuter in form. Thus, grammatically, all of the articles and pronouns which have it as their antecedent must also be neuter in form. However, this does not necessarily mean that the Holy Spirit is not a person. It simply means that the form of the word is neuter. Interestingly, since the form of the word is neuter, grammatical rules require that all of the pronouns that refer to 'spirit' must also be neuter in form. However, in many instances, the pronouns are not neuter, but masculine. Two of the examples you used in your post incorrectly identified the pronoun as neuter when they were in fact masculine in form. The two examples are: John 14:26, and John 16:13-14. In both of these passages, 'ekeinos' is in the masculine form. Why would Scripture break the 'rule' in these cases? I believe it is because the Scripture writers were hesitant to use the neuter form for the Holy Spirit, Whom they certainly viewed as a person and not a thing! p.s. - I wanted to note that my other example (Eph. 1:14) has some textual variants involved, but John 16:13-14 do not. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | nature of the holy spirit of god | Bible general Archive 3 | gdh1127 | 180082 | ||
hi tim! most certainly appreciate your thoughts and inputs on this matter especially with your so amiable spirit *_*. if it is just then a matter of grammatical convention of a language, then the question of whether the holy spirit is distinct and separate person for me is settled. may you spell for me the third person masc., fem., and neuter forms of the word ekeinos? providentially, in addition to mt 28:18, i found the following verses that separately mentions the father, the son, and the holy spirit in the same "breath" *_* to be of more help to me: Romans 15:30; 1 Cor 12:4-6; 2 Cor 13:14; 1 Pt 1:2. blessings to you tim, grace |
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3 | nature of the holy spirit of god | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 180117 | ||
Greetings Gdh1127! Sorry about the delay. I am a bi-vocational pastor who works nights. :-) Here is the info about 'ekeinos' which you requested. 'Ekeinos' is a demonstrative pronoun. It can be masculine, feminine, or neuter in gender. It can be singular or plural in number. But, there is no third person demonstrative pronoun. And, it can be in one of eight cases (5 forms). Here are the spellings for each. Masculine Singular forms: Nominative: ekeinos Genitive/Ablative: ekeinou Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeinw Accusative: ekeinon Masculine Plural forms: Nominative: ekeinoi Genitive/Ablative: ekeinwn Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeinois Accusative: ekeinous Feminine Singular Forms: Nominative: ekeine Genitive/Ablative: ekeines Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeine Accusative: ekeinen Feminine Plural Forms: Nominative: ekeinai Genitive/Ablative: ekeinwn Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeiais Accusative: ekeinas Neuter Singular Forms: Nominative: ekeino Genitive/Ablative: ekeinou Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeinw Accusative: ekeino Neuter Plural Forms: Nominative: ekeina Genitive/Ablative: ekeinwn Dative/Locative/Instrumental: ekeinois Accusative: ekeina I hope this helps. Transliterated spelling are hard to do and can change from book to book and person to person depending on which English letters are assigned which Greek letters. As you can see, some of the forms and spelling are identical to one another. Thus, the only way to determine the proper case, gender, or number in those situations is to look at the context. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | nature of the holy spirit of god | Bible general Archive 3 | azurelaw | 180132 | ||
It horrifies me! What a difficult language to learn! Azure :( |
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5 | nature of the holy spirit of god | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 180139 | ||
Greetings Azure! LOL! It is not as bad as it looks. It is actually easier than English in that it is extremely regular. You just need to know the root form of the noun or verb and then add the appropriate endings. Now, there is much more variety in Greek than in English. However, it is also much more regular than English. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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