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1 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 93544 | ||
Jibbs, Who needs faith or hope if one has "absolute assurance." Are the two not mutually exclusive. If one is wrong in their assertion of eternal security, their security will not be eternal and if one is insecure about their election but is among the elect they will not be eternally insecure but only temporarily so. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for" Hebrews 11:1. "But hope seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees" Romans 8:24 What position better displays the Christian of humility; absolute assurance or prayeful trust in God. A beautiful illustration of an attitude of humility is found in the reply of a saint to a question posed as a trap by her ecclesiastical judges: Asked if she knew that she was in God's grace, she replied: "If I am not, may it please God to put me in it; if I am, may it please God to keep me there." God gets the glory either way. She was burned at the stake for heresy, but not for failing to assert her absolute eternal security; Her questioners would have found that to be heresy. Instead she was convicted on other trumped up charges, just like the Savior she followed and was burned at the stake anyway. She was Joan of Arc, later canonized as a saint by the same Church whose corrupt English clerical court had condemned her, though they professed the same faith. They were a lot more sure of themselves than she was, but nobody even remembers their names and their eternal fate is even less certain. Emmaus |
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2 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | JibbyJee | 93575 | ||
Emmaus The true Born-again Christian wholly trusts in Christ for his every need, by faith, which is the gift of God, to the end that the things hoped for are certain to be realized in the consummation of life on earth and entrance into the presence of God Himself. Absolute assurance and prayerful trust in God are not exclusive terms; in fact, the two combined are a result of God's saving grace and His justification by faith. We can be CERTAIN of things hoped for because of the CROSS of Christ to those who believe. Anything contrary to this is heresy, not because I say so, but because the Bible says so. In Christ, JIBBS |
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3 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 93583 | ||
Jibbs, It's not your assurance that disturbs me but its absolute infallibility in your own mind. The only Person that has absolute as opposed to moral assurance about who is saved and who is not is God. The latter requires humility, the former tends toward arrogance. You seem to say you can see with absolute assurance the thing you hope for? Sounds to me like something other than hope or faith. Faith and hope are unnecessary for one so assured. That may be why they seem to others so lacking in charity also. It sounds like your faith is in your own faith rather than in God. The kind of faith Eve had after talking to the serpent. At least that is the way I see it. Emmaus |
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4 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | JibbyJee | 93635 | ||
Emmaus My faith is in Christ, whom I trust. It is no longer I who live, but He who lives in me. It is Him who has justified me, that is, who has made me, an unworthy sinner, righteous before God. If being certain of what I hope for is a contradiction, then the Bible and faith itself is contradictory, for the Scripture says: Heb 11:1 Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen. The only thing arrogant about this discussion is you taking it upon yourself to call me arrogant simply because I have faith as defined in the Bible. It is the Anchor of my soul (Heb 6:19) not because it's something that I mustered up within myself (my faith is not in my faith as you so spitefully assert), but it is rather a gift of God to me that is exercised by the Spirit dwelling within me. Again, it is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me. That's eternal security and absolute assurance. Because of his grace, I will make every effort to work out my salvation with fear and trembling, which is, as I am slowly learning, where God speaks most clearly to those who are His. What you seem to call charity the Bible calls "lukewarm". Some will tolerate sound doctrine, some will not. That doesn't mean we beat around the bush. Now, the way I see it, your faith is in your works and not wholly in Christ. Is that a fair assessment in comparison to yours of me? IN Christ, JIBBS |
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5 | Inability? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 93682 | ||
Jibbs, Please accept my apology for insinuating arrogance on your part. Emmaus |
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