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1 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101804 | ||
Hi Tim, My two cents: "1) Acts 2:21 - "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."" Does this mean God will reward all those who sincerely seek Him? If so, how do they do that? "2) Acts 16:31 - "They replied, 'Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household.'"" Does everyone who believes have salvation or is more implied here which is not explicitly written? "3) Rom. 10:9 - "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."" Does not scripture also say the following? John 3:36 36"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." NAS and James 2:19 19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. NAS "4) Rom. 10:13 - "for, 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'"" Will God help anyone who is not seeking help? "The common theme in all of these verses is trust or belief in Christ. There just isn't any support for the notion that we must 'do' something in addition to what Christ has already done to be saved." It seems the logical conclusion would be that these verses do not negate the importance of work, but merely state some of the elements necessary to obtain God's reward. We must especially ponder your statement on no need for obedience, for most people would say it is unlikely a person will reach heaven if they do not love God. AO |
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2 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101812 | ||
Greetings AO! Thanks for the response my friend! To me, there is a principle called the 'lowest common denominator' when it comes to Scripture. :-) What I mean by that is simply this: If Scripture says to simply believe, but more is actually needed, then Scripture taught a lie. So, the 'lowest common denominator' must be all that is really needed for salvation. :-) With that in mind, let's address your comments. 1) Acts 2:21 actually says that all who 'call' on the name of the Lord will be saved. No other requirement is listed. 2) Acts 16:31 is explicit, because it is a direct response to a direct question. The question was: "What must I do to be saved?" The answer: "Believe!" Now, if Peter left something out that was necessary for salvation, his response would have been a lie. 3) Rom. 10:9 does not contradict the two passages you cite. John 3:36 does call for obedience, but John 6:29 tells us what 'work' it is that God expects us to obey: "Jesus answered, 'The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.'" And, James 2:19 talks about the evidence of a geninue faith, not the basis for salvation. Concerning your last paragraph, let's see what Scripture says. You wrote: "It seems the logical conclusion would be that these verses do not negate the importance of work, but merely state some of the elements necessary to obtain God's reward." Yet, Scripture specifically says that we are not saved by our works. Eph. 2:8-9, The entire chapter of Rom. 4, Rom. 11:6. So, Scripture is quite clear on the fact that 'works' play no part in our salvation. Now, if that is the case, then we have the answer to the second part of your last paragraph. If we are not saved by what we do, then 'obedience' is not a 'requirement' of salvation, but a result of it. I pray that people would really come to understand the grace of God. We don't have to 'worry' about salvation. We don't have to go through life 'wondering' if we are really saved or not. We don't have to be constantly concerned that at some moment, we might slip up or fail God in someway and 'lose' our salvation. Why? Because our salvation is not based upon anything that we did or will do. It is based entirely upon what He did on the cross. Now, does that mean that we can go out and do whatever we want after we have accepted Christ? No! After we accept Christ, we will 'do' good works. But, they are the result of salvation, not the grounds for salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101835 | ||
Tim, 1 Peter 3:21 21And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you NAS According to your "lowest common denominator" theory you must certainly believe that water baptism saves you, the original subject of this thread. If not, it seems we must rethink the validity of your theory. AO |
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4 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101844 | ||
Greetings AO! I notice that you didn't quote the rest of the verse! :-) " and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Now, if baptism doesn't cleanse from the filth of sin, in what way does it save? The verse tells us - it is the response of a good conscience toward God. In other words, it is an action done as a result of what God has already done for us, not as a means to get saved. So, personally, I would say that the Lowest Common Denominator is still valid! :-) For, in Acts 16:31, Peter lists everything necessary for salvation in response to a direct question concerning how one must be saved. The context is clear. The question is clear. And, the response is clear. To add anything else, would be to do violence to the text. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101848 | ||
Hi Tim, I debated whether to post a partial verse, but I decided to follow your earlier lead:-) The "rest of the verse", however merely states the reason: 1 Peter 3:21 21And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, NAS It does just as you suggest, buries the body of past sin as dead so that the person can now live a new life dedicated to God. Without it the person can not benefit from "the resurrection of Jesus Christ". AO |
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6 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101853 | ||
Greetings AO! Where does the verse say that baptism buries past sins? Further, I believe that you have the order wrong for your last clause. Baptism does not allow a person to "benefit from 'the resurrection of Jesus Christ.'" The order in the verse is that baptism saves through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whatever the verses means concerning baptism, it is a result of the resurrection, not the other way around. p.s. - Not that it really matters, but which verse did I only quote partially? I did not recall doing that, since I cut and paste all of my Scripture references, I usually cite the entire verse. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101879 | ||
Tim, I was referring to the 4 verses you gave Arapqa:-) You may view this as semantics, but it is the commanded act of baptism that allows the believer to benefit from the Lord's sacrifice. Without obeying the Lord, a person can not benefit from the blood of Christ or in your words, "baptism SAVES through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Either way you look at it, baptism saves! AO |
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8 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101887 | ||
Greetings AO! Didn't I cite the entire verse in all four instances? I looked back and it's all there! :-) You still never addressed my point about the verse in question. Doesn't salvation clease us from sin? Yet, Peter specifically says that baptism does not clease the filth of the flesh. What exactly did Peter mean by this qualification and why did he feel it necessary to include it? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101902 | ||
Tim, Is not salvation the result of having been cleansed from sin? The result is the result, not the cause. The act of baptism is not to remove dirt, but to bury past sins and be born anew. It is symbolic of Christ's death and resurrection, but more importantly, the doorway to contact the blood. P. S. Peter most likely felt necessary to include this, because denominationists argued that this was a symbolic bodily washing akin to the traditions of the Jewish law and therefore meaningless. AO |
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