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1 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 101807 | ||
Greetings AO! Here are my 2 cents: Looking at 1 John 4, "This is love: not that we loved God, but that God loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. . . . everyone who loves has been born of God." (vv 10;7) It seems to me that apart from God, we can not love! Jesus said, IF you love Me, you will keep my commands (John 14:15) - Jesus told us "Love the Lord your God" . . . and HOW do we express that love? BELIEVE in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.(1 John 3:23) Love originates with God and those who do not love God have not BELIEVED Him. Belief comes first; it is the only response that God responds to. (Ecc 3:11)God has set eternity in the heart of man - we have God-given knowledge of His existence. In fact,(Romans 1) He even gives us that kernel of faith, the ability to recognize and respond to what HE HAS DONE - loved us first. Those who respond in belief, receive His Love,(Jesus, as noted in 1 John 4:10) which grows and continues to respond to God in our thoughts, attitudes and actions. I think that it is very dangerous to presume that there is anything we can do ON OUR OWN, like even loving God - for without Him, we would have no means to even respond to Him. To love means to believe - this is the starting point in our relationship with God. As we contine to place our trust in Him, HE lives through us, expressing Himself and His obedience to the Father. Jesus said, "apart from Me, you can do nothing." (John 15:5)Therefore, apart from HIM, we can not even OBEY God. We are saved by Grace, not works - which "obedience" apart from Jesus really is! You wrote, "most people would say it is unlikely a person will reach heaven if they do not love God." The problem is that most people do not know what loving God really means! They confuse "good works" with believing faith. Faith comes first, then we are born into that Love which expresses Itself through us. Eph 2:10 - "We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God in advance has prepared for us to do." mommapbs |
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2 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101838 | ||
Hi Momma, As you so correctly end your post, those in Christ must perform good works. They are not working to get into the Kingdom, they are working because they are in the Kingdom. By the way, if belief is the condition to showing love to God, in your opinion, why do demons believe and shudder? Might it be that while believing it is too late for them to obey? AO |
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3 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 101863 | ||
Hi AO - Jesus isn't Lord because we make Him so by our belief, He IS Lord whether we accept His Lordhip or not! God reveals Himself to mankind, we choose to know or not know Him through our belief. Because the demons already knew God as LORD, (they already believed) they are without excuse in their choice to rebell. I suspect that they shudder because they also know their ultimate eternal fate. (I suspect that this could be akin to the unpardonable sin that man is warned about.) mommapbs |
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4 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101873 | ||
Mamma, I do not contest that Jesus is Lord regardless of belief. Please forgive me for not making myself clear, if you understood otherwise. God does reveal Himself to mankind, but the issue is not whether we "know" Him, but whether we choose to obey Him. Demons know God, they just have chosen not to obey Him. The unpardonable sin is that sin someone commits repeatedly, and willfully, in disobedience to God. So I suspect your suspicions are right! AO |
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5 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 101884 | ||
AO - Are you saying that anyone, for example a practicing homosexual, has committed the "unpardonable sin" because he/she willfully and repeatedly violates God's Law? How about the couple who willfuly live together without being married? Have they committed the "unpardonable sin" if they refuse to be married? How about the believer who struggles with pornography, knows it is sinful and yet refuses to give it up - has he/she committed the unpardonable sin? What about the church gossip? The one who refuses to tithe? If they refuse to repent of their sinful behavior and attitudes are these unpardonable too? mommapbs |
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6 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101888 | ||
Hi Momma, Yes,no,yes,yes. Any of the situations you mention can be pardoned if the individual stops sinning, repents and from that time forward practises righteousness. AO |
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7 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 101895 | ||
AO - You wrote. "Any of the situations you mention can be pardoned if the individual stops sinning, repents and from that time forward practises righteousness." This sounds like a works based plan of slavation to me! Is it? I fail to see how ANY of the situations I mentioned fall into the category of the "unpardonable sin". From your standpoint, the continual, unrepentent sins of homosexuality, pronography, and gossip are "unpardonable" but why did you exclude the sin of fornication? What about not giving,or tithing? Does the habitual practice of selfishness also become unpardonable? mommapbs |
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8 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101907 | ||
Momma, Sin is sin. I am not supporting fornication, as you seem to believe. Your example merely asked if it was wrong for a man and a woman to have sexual relations without a legal marriage certificate. Consider when God considers a man and woman married. Would it be when they had relations or when they received a piece of paper. From your example there is no sin. The others are very black and white. If a person refuses to turn from sin they are in rebellion and in default with God. Should you pray for someone who mocks God by continuing to willfully disobey? That is the unpardonable sin. AO |
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9 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 101919 | ||
AO - please support your position with Scripture. Frankly, from your responses, it appears that you do not fully understand the difference between pardonable and unpardonable sin. The Blood of Jesus was shed as an atonement for ALL sin. Romans 3:25; Romans 6:10; Heb 2:17; Col 2:13 "He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered Himself." Heb 7:27 Note posted by kalos on Heb 10:26 "The apostate is beyond salvation because he has rejected the only sacrifice that can cleanse him from sin and bring him into God's presence. To turn away from that sacrifice leaves him with no saving alternative. This is parallel to Matt 12:31." (MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) The way I understand the unpardonable sin is that we reject the Spirit, who reveals Truth - what God says about Himself and what God says about people.(We need a Savior! We need God!) This is akin to the response of the demons, who KNEW God but rejected not just His Authority; they rejected Him. Likewise those who reject God and His Authority will one day acknowledge, as the demons do now, that He is LORD! The demons tremble for they know their fate . . . it is horrific to contemplate eternity apart from God, but those who reject Him will indeed reap the consequence of their choice - the penalty for sin is death. It is amazing to me that anyone could neglect such a great salvation, (Heb 2:3) especially when God has declared the result of such a rejection! (Romans 6:23) You asked: "Should you pray for someone who mocks God by continuing to willfully disobey?" Jesus said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" Mt 5:44 I'm glad that someone prayed for willfully disobedient me! mommapbs |
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10 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 101968 | ||
Hi Momma, The unpardonable sin is whatever sin that keeps a person, either in the Church or not, from spending eternity with God. It is only unpardonable if the person has not repented before they physically die! Matt 22:1-14 is a good example of a man who commited the unpardonable sin. He came to the feast unprepared! Also the parable of the 10 virgins applies: Matt 25:1-13 25:1"Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2"And five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. 3"For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. 5"Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep. 6"But at midnight there was a shout, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.' 7"Then all those virgins rose, and trimmed their lamps. 8"And the foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9"But the prudent answered, saying, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.' 10"And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. 11"And later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.' 12"But he answered and said, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.' 13"Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour. NAS All ten virgins knew the Lord was coming, but only five were prepared for His arrival. The other five commited an unpardonable sin! They did not properly prepare, as the man without wedding clothes did not properly prepare, for the master. You see, your instruction to this point in your life has always been that Jesus's sacrifice was for all past AND FUTURE sins, but nowhere does God give anyone a "free pass" to cover all sins that they wil make once they are in the body (the Church). He DOES give them the ABILITY to turn away from sin, because it is impossible, even for a Christian to keep from sinning, but it is the Christian's choice to turn away or not. If they do not, AND die in that condition, they have commited the unpardonable sin. By the way, failure to accurately handle scripture also falls in the above category, i.e. it is the responsibility of the individual to pray for help, which God will provide by sending a Christian to that person. As for praying for your enemies, that prayer should be that they seek the truth and through their observance of the Christian's actions they might be sorowful enough to seek God. Note , however, that the verse you quote applies only to those that persecute YOU. I sincerely hope this helps. AO |
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11 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101978 | ||
Greetings AO! You wrote: "It is only unpardonable if the person has not repented before they physically die!" Exactly where does Scripture teach this? This has always been my concern about the belief in baptismal regeneration. I may be wrong, but it sounds to me like you are teaching that we are saved by our works. One slip, and if we die without confessing it, we would go to hell. But, Scripture makes it clear that we are not saved by our works (Eph. 2:8-9), not do we stay saved by our works. We are saved (past tense) by what Christ did on the cross. Consider the following: Titus 1:4 - " But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Every action of God in this verse in the tense of past completed action. We aren't being saved. We aren't hoping to be saved. We are saved, justified, and have already become heir of eternal life. In your interpretation, we might be saved one day and not the next. We might be justified one day and not the next. We might be heirs one day and not the next. Why? Because of our 'works', our status changes? Yet, Titus 3:5 specifically says that we were not saved because of righteous works. The Christian walk is not one of saved today, lost tomorrow, saved again. Peter, in the first chapter of his first epistle, agrees with Paul and lists the past, present, and future aspects of our salvation. In v. 3, we have been give new birth. It is a finished and completed action. In v. 5, we are being shield by God's power. This is an ongoing continuous progess. Finally, in v. 4, we have an inheritence which we will receive in heaven. How does this all tie into the unpardonable sin? Well, I agree with Mommapbs and George. There is only one unpardonable sin according to Mt. 12:30-32. This passage does not speak of every unconfessed sin. It speaks of a specific sin in contrast to every other sin. But, this is the position to which baptismal regeneration logically leads. If we are saved by grace plus other things that we must do, then logically we could be 'unsaved' by doing wrong things or not doing the right things. But, this is not the way Scripture describes salvation. It is not described as a process of being saved, being lost, being saved again, and hoping that I am saved when I die. It is described as a past completed action. That is good news. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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12 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aspiring Overseer | 102033 | ||
Tim, Can a Christian lose their salvation? AO |
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13 | The unpardonable sin? | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 102048 | ||
No, a Christian cannot lose their salvation. --Radioman2 |
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