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1 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Taleb | 101792 | ||
Makarios, what about some of the other "apostles" mentioned in Scripture, like Junias and Andronicus, Barnabas, Timothy, Epaphroditus and Silas? Taleb |
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2 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Makarios | 101794 | ||
Greetings Taleb, Please provide Scripture references of where Junias, Andronicus, Barnabas, Timothy, Epaphroditus and Silas are explicitly described as "apostles." Blessings to you, Makarios |
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3 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101799 | ||
Greetings Makarios! Here are a few of the references my friend! Barnabas is called an apostle in Acts 14:14: "But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting:" Andronicus and Junias are described as 'outstanding among the apostles' in Rom. 16:7: "Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was." Epaphroditus is described as an apostle, but it is translated as 'messenger' in Phil. 2:25: "But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs." I couldn't find any verses where the term 'apostle' was applied to Timothy and Silas. But, there is a confusing verse in 2 Cor. 8:23, where Titus seems to be listed among some 'apostles'. I haven't read the rest of this thread, so I am not sure where the discussion has gone. It seems clear that there were many more 'apostles' than just the 12, but it seems equally clear that was a difference between being 'an apostle' of being of 'the apostles'. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Makarios | 101922 | ||
Greetings Taleb and Tim Moran! Whew! What a day.. :-) Tim Moran: To bring you "up to date", I cited a reference from one of Ron Rhodes' books about "Apostles", and Taleb asked what about some other so called "apostles".. Since I was lazy, I asked Taleb if he had any Scripture references for those other "apostles." :-) Taleb: I apologize for the wait in getting back with you.. By no means am I "inflexible" on this issue, and I hope that you didn't take my post as such. I was simply asking for the Scripture references for those other "apostles" that you mentioned.. Now, let's look at it... Acts 14:14 "But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out.." Romans 16:7 "Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me." Yes, Scripture states that Barnabas, Junias, Andronicus and Epaphroditus were "apostles." So, Taleb, you are absolutely right, and I was wrong in my first post in saying that there were only 12. Now, I have to re-define what I wrote regarding what is meant by "apostle", and how an "apostle" is distinguished from a regular disciple of Christ, since we have no Scriptural record of Christ appearing to Barnabas, Andronicus, Junias or Epaphroditus, even though Scripture clearly refers to them as apostles also. I also agree that Timothy and Silas are not mentioned as "apostles" in Scripture. So, therefore, that is where I suggest we draw the line: that if a person is not explicitly described as an "apostle" in Scripture, then they did not hold that office. After reading 2 Cor. 8:23, I believe that this passage is much too vague to lend apostleship to Timothy.. With 2 books written from Paul to Timothy alone, you would think that there would at least be another verse or two that would confirm Timothy's apostleship if he actually held that office. So therefore, in my 4 points in my first post, we have to completely throw out point #1, since it is obvious that apostleship extends beyond the original Twelve. As for point #2, the "revelation" spoken of would then extend to Barnabas, Junias, Andronicus and Epaphroditus, since they are also considered as apostles. I have always believed that Barnabas was the author of Hebrews, so I have no problem with extending this point to those who are specified as "apostles" in Scripture. But as for points #3 and #4, I believe that they still hold true, since the apostles were especially commissioned as such in order to 'lay down the foundation' for the church (point #3). Therefore, if we hold to this point, then there can be no "apostles" of the church today, since the foundation of the church has already been laid. As for point #4, that point would also hold true for all of the apostles (Barnabas, etc. included), since through them alone would there be miraculous signs performed. In that sense, we can only understand Revelation 21:14 in a sense that the verse would be referring to the original Twelve apostles, and not the other apostles that are seen in the rest of the New Testament, which I personally find a bit "odd." I do not believe that an apostle is the same office as that of the missionary. Interesting material! Blessings to you both, Makarios |
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5 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101960 | ||
Greetings Makarios! I pray that things are going well with you my friend. As I stated previously, I have not read all of this thread. So, I was not sure what had or had not been said - though I could guess most of it! :-) As I alluded to before, I am in substantial agreement with you. I believe that the word 'apostle' is used in two senses. 1) The Apostles - which meant only the 12 and Paul. Scripture is very definite when refering to this group either as 'the Apostles' or 'the twelve'. I don't believe that these kinds of apostles exist anymore. 2) However, there seems to be a 'lesser (for lack of a better word)' sense of the word. It would apply to anyone 'sent'. In this sense, anyone sent by a Church for ministry was an apostle. I believe this is how the term was used of Barnabas and others. These kinds of apostles could be said to exist today in the sense that anyone sent with a mission could be said to be an apostle. However, as you noted, much of the 'ministry description' applied to 'The Apostles' would not apply to those sent today. They are not the foundation of the Church. So, I too would say that an apostle is not a missionary, though a missionary could be said to be an apostle. Did I make sense there? :-) In other words, a missionary could be said to be an apostle in the sense that he was sent with a mission. But, this term would not just apply to missionaries. Church planters, evangelists, and many others could be said 'to be sent' as well. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 101967 | ||
Brother Tim: Well done. A more perfect answer I can hardly imagine. There were twelve apostles (Apostles, if you will) chosen by Jesus. These are "the twelve". There were other apostles, sent out by the church. I hope I do not spoil things by stating the belief that there are still twelve Apostles, since Judas by transgression fell and was replaced by Paul. Men today can call themselves apostles or missionaries or whatever they will, as they are sent out by the church. But they are not like the original twelve, and they are no substitute for them. | ||||||
7 | What is an Apostle? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 101975 | ||
Greetings Aixen7z4! Thanks for the kind words! One quick note though, wasn't Judas replaced by Matthias in Acts 1:26? So, there still was The Twelve plus Paul. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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