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1 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | JohnDiscipleship | 192358 | ||
Matthew 25v31-46 I have thoght about this passage of scripture many times and my understanding of it is this. We are not judged because of our sins, but by what we choose to do with the abilities that God has given us, if we keep ourself away from places where others are in need we will fail to see their suffering but if we use our abilities to serve others we will always be in a place where we can give a cup of water or clothes etc. Is tis a fair assesment of this scripture? | ||||||
2 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 192360 | ||
I'm going to have to disagree slightly. First off, in this passage God separates from Goats and Sheep. The sheep, as Jesus states elsewhere, hear his voice and follow. They are the ones who would be counted as "Saved". The goats, however, are not "Saved". This is essentially a retelling of Revelations 20:11-15, the judgement of the Great White Throne. First, in the passage in Revelations 20, everyone is separated between "Saved" and "Unsaved", and their actions are judged. It has little to do with the talents and gifts God has granted and more to do with whether or not a person is "Saved" or not. So .. yes .. we are judged by sin. Jesusman |
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3 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | JohnDiscipleship | 192362 | ||
I think I will have to disagree that we are to be judged by our sin as Jesus takes on our sin and set us free from sin and death. The question that is asked by those that are called righteous and those that are called unrighteous is the same, "when did we see you hungry, thirsty etc. and the only difference between the two was that one had given and one hadn't not whether they were "Saved' or not. They both call Him LORD | ||||||
4 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 192369 | ||
So .. basically you are saying there is no such thing as an unsaved person? Did you even read the passage in Revelation 20? Notice that the passage, which parrallels the passage in Matthew, clearly begins with all of the dead coming before God. Not just the saved .. but everyone. And notice in Matthew, it doesn't not say whether the sheep and goats are all supposed to be saved people, but notice that the goats were sent away. if they were saved, then why is God pushing them away? Is he suddenly removing his gift of eternal life? No .. It's clear from the context that this is about God separating the saved from the unsaved, then judging them on what they did in life. Jesusman. |
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5 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 192371 | ||
Hi Jesusman, Wow, now two lines of thought have been opened up!! I hadn't really thought about it in connection with some verses of Rev (at least not consciously). I thought though that in the judgment of the unsaved in Rev, we the believers were already there, having gone through the millennium? So, possibly the difference between the sheep and the goats isn't saved or not saved, but those who walked the walk and those who were carnal and only talked the walk? Still learning, Cheri |
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6 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 192374 | ||
Read the whole passage of Matthew 25:31-46. He Starts out in verses 31-33 by saying that the Son of Man will return in all his glory and sit on his glorious throne. He continues by saying that "All the nations will be gathered before Him ... ". He continues on by saying that they will all be then separated. He uses the analogy of a shepherd separating his flock from the goats. Now .. turn over to Revelation 20:11-15. This passage begins almost identical as to the one in Matthew 25. It begins with a description in verse 11 of the throne. That it was Great, and white. He describes the person who sat on it, and paints a colorful picture of a very majestic person, much like in Matthew 25. In verse 12, he speaks of everyone "great and small" standing before the Throne, and being judged. He speaks of books of recorded events being opened and referred to and that each person present was judged. He goes on even further in verse 13 and says that even the sea gave up their dead, along with Hades giving up the dead there. Just like in Matthew 25, there is a clear picture of every person from history coming before a glorious throne which Christ the Lord will be sitting from, and they are all being judged by their actions. Now .. back to Matthew 25. Look at Matthew 25:34-40. This talks specifically to the Sheep. It speaks of people who are generous and compassionate. People who went out of their way to aid others. Traits that every Saved person exhibits. Even though they didn't realize who it was they were doing these things for, they did it anyway because of who they were. As a result of being The sheep, they were made heirs to the Kingdom. Now .. look at Matthew 25:41-45. These are the Goats, the ones who did the opposite of what should have been done. They were not generous, not compassionate, nor were they willing to give aid. Now .. pay close attention to verse 46. He closes this passage by saying that the goats will go to Eternal punishment, but the sheep to eternal life. Now .. flip back to Revelation 20. In Revelation 20:14, the author says that Death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. Then in verse 15, he says that all of those whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was also thrown into the Lake of Fire. Hence, these are the goats being punished in eternal punishment. Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15 are both speaking of the same event, which is the Final Judgement. The time before the Throne of God where all of mankind through out history is brought before God and each individual is held accountable to the actions they each committed during their lives. The only single means to escape eternal punishment is by being one of the Saved, or as Jesus uses the term, one of the Sheep. If you want a passage that speaks about God placing value on how well one uses the gifts God provides, then read the passage that immediately preceeds, Matthew 25:14-30, the Parable of the Talents. There God is saying he will take note of how well you use the gifts he provides. He is saying there that if you use your gifts wisely, that he will provide means for increase, but to hide the gifts means that he will take them from you. Jesusman |
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7 | is how we use our talents to be judged? | NT general Archive 1 | skccab | 192384 | ||
Hi Jesusman, Thank you so much for the effort you put into your response. From years ago when I adopted the "pre-trib" view, I still have some "old" views that need to be (and are) being reconsidered. The "pre-tribulational" view has all the events wrapped up so nicely that it is hard to let it go, but it is not as scripturally based as the other views. And you just re-confirmed that for me. That's one of the things I love about SBF - it allows for thinking and re-thinking biases that we have grown up with (and we ALL have them). So, once again, thank you. Still learning :-) Cheri |
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