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1 | Need more clarification | Bible general Archive 1 | Chusarcik | 71760 | ||
Does it mean no one can enter into Heaven at all during this time or only that they cannot enter the temple that is in Heaven? What I'm unclear about is whether the temple means all of Heaven or if the temple is a specific part of Heaven that cannot be entered during the last 7 plagues. Are some people already in Heaven at this time and no others can enter during the last 7 plagues? I think this is what you meant by there is a time when the wicked can no longer be saved. Please clarify. Chusarcik Thanks,Chusarcik |
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2 | Need more clarification | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 71798 | ||
Yes there is a literal temple in heaven "which the Lord pitched and not man" Heb. 8:1-2. Moses built the earthly temple after the "pattern" he saw in heaven Heb. 8:5. Rev. 11:19 would also seem to indicate a literal temple. I've done some research on who is heaven and have come to this conclusion: The only ones in heaven now are: 1) Enoch and Elijah - Gen. 5:24 and Heb. 11:5 show that Enoch never died. II Kings 2:1-18 records Elijah's translation. Some even went to look for his body but never found it. 2) Moses was resurrected from the grave - Deut. 34:5-7 records his death and burial. Jude 9 would seem to indicate his resurrection. 3) Some of the saints were resurrected at the same time as Jesus Matt. 27:52-53 and were led to heaven when Jesus ascended. In Eph. 4:8 the phrase "led captivity captive" actually translates literally as "led a multitude of captives" without specifying exactly how many are in this "multitude". From your posts I assume that you believe that when a saved person dies that their "soul" or "spirit" (some conscience, thinking feeling part of you) will go into heaven right away. I've done some research on this as well. First of all if there is no resurrection from the dead then there will be no one saved from the grave (I Cor. 15:12-23 - vese 23 even shows that this happens at Jesus' coming.) Please allow me to copy/paste this from some of my research: "Note that Moses appeared (with Elijah) at the mount of transfiguration. Matt. 17:3-4; Mark 9:4-5; Luke 9:30-33. There are some that contend that when you die you will receive your reward right away. If this is true then why is King David still in his grave and has not yet ascended into heaven? Acts 2:29 and 34. Paul stated he would wait until the resurrection to receive his reward of eternal life. II Tim. 4:6-8. Daniel also was told to wait in the grave until the resurrection. Dan. 12:13. Note Job 14:10-15. Remember, death is a total cessation of life, an eternal sleep until the resurrection. Job 14:12 and 19:26. Note that God’s Spirit is His breath; Job 34:14-15 and 27:3; Gen. 2:7; Ps. 104:29-30; Eccl. 12:7. Job knew that he would sleep in the grave until he was resurrected in the flesh. Job 19:26; Isa. 26:19. Read Ps. 146:4 and Eccl. 9:5,6-10. Note that Paul called death "sleep" in Acts 7:60 and so did Jesus in John 11:11-14. Many places in the Bible speak of the resurrection as an awakening out of sleep; Joel 3:9 and 12; Isa. 26:19; Dan. 12:2. Note also verse 18 in I Cor. 15:12-26. If your spirit is your breath (note the margin in James 2:26), and the word translated as "spirit" also means "breath", "wind" and "air", then what about your soul? Can a soul die? Ezek. 18:4 and 20 and Rev. 16:3. Note also that a human has no preeminence above a beast. Eccl. 3:19-21 and that the word translated "creature" in Gen. 1:20,21 and 24 is the same word that was translated as "soul" in Gen. 2:7. So it would seem that the body (dust of the earth) plus the spirit (breath of life) makes a soul (a living creature). When the spirit (or breath) leaves, the body returns to the earth (dust) and the soul (living creature) ceases to exist. During a resurrection the opposite happens, the breath (spirit) returns to the body (dust) and the soul lives again. See Ezek. 37:1-14 esp. vers. 9-14 for an excellent example of how this works. What then about the second death Rev. 20:6 and 14? If death is a sleep, don’t the wicked burn forever? Note that the burning itself is not eternal but the result of it (death and destruction) is. Dan. 12:2; Matt. 25:46 (note that death is the punishment for sin, Rom. 6:23), II Thess. 1:9. In Mal. 4:1-3 the wicked are reduced to ashes. Even Satan is brought to ashes and ceases to exist Ezek. 28:18-19. After their final destruction they die and sleep forever Jer. 51:39 and 57. Note that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire Jude 7 but have been reduced to ashes II Peter 2:6 for our example. Note the literal translation of Isa. 66:24 is "their worm shall not yet die, neither shall their fire be yet quenched". That word yet implies that eventually they will die and their fire will be quenched. continued in next post... |
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