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1 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 30997 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Are you saying that because Abraham was apprehended directly and personally, without the written Word or a preacher of the Gospel, that it still DOES happen, or still CAN happen? One (CAN) is simply theory, therefore may be possible, but with no practical way to measure one way or another. The other (DOES) is propounding more than just possibility, and requires proof from the Bible. This said, I don't think that it is possible anyway. Abraham is the 'father' of our faith, the first recipient of God's saving faith that we know of a certainty. His experience is unique, and not an example to be followed or sought after. While it may be possible to come to a saving relationship solely by reading the Bible (by the Holy Spirit), I don't think it is possible without the Word of God. Anybody preaching the Gospel would, by definition, be preaching the Word. IMHO. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 31000 | ||
Hello Charis, Since the Bible records such events as happening, obviously it is possible and can happen. The God of Abraham is the same God we serve today. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Therefore, it is entirely within his means to do so. Besides, is not all knowledge that we have of God and his will brought to us through supernatural means on God's part? After all, It was God who first came to man and revealed himself. There isn't an event recorded in history where a person came to God without God first coming to him. The only difference is in the means. As for Abraham's experience being unique, you are correct. Then again, each of our experiences are unique. That does not remove the possibility of such events of being able to take place. It merely establishes the fact that God approaches each person in his own way. Besides, it isn't through reading the Bible, hearing a testimony, singing a song, praying a prayer, or anything that saves you. It is through the Holy Spirit alone that a Person is saved. There have been many scholors who have read the Bible and have not been saved. I know of many who sing Christian songs, yet do not understand the meanings they are singing. I have heard empty prayers, and have witnessed people ignore my testimonies time and time again. It is the Holy Spirit who saves. I leave the means up to him. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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3 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 31005 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Greetings in Jesus' name! Why do you suppose that Jesus was referred to as the Word? I see all this as just conjecture and theory, not applicable in the realm of real life in Christ. CAN happen, and DOES happen are different things. I do not know of any instance except Abraham. He is unique AND first! We are 'merely' unique. :-) The Holy Spirit always quickens the Word to us. All conviction is in accord with the Word of God. Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 31009 | ||
Hello Charis, True, this is primarily theory, but then again, I enjoy these types of discussions. :-) The important thing to remember is that all of creation ultimately points to Christ, especially the Bible. The Bible is largely the Biography of Jesus Christ. As for John 1:1, and Jesus being called "the Word". This is a fasinating study. Let me share with you the benefits of some research I did on the greek word "Logos" translated as "Word". In the Greek, there are three words that can be translated "Word": "Logos", "Rhema", and "Lalia". "Lalia" means "word", but in the meaning of "utterance". An accurate rendering would be Babble, baby-talk, noise, and etc. The idea focusing upon the noise produced. A dog barking and a person speaking in a foreign language would both be "Lalia". "Logos" means "word" also. However, in contrast to "Lalia", "Logos" focuses upon the thought and the intelligence behind the speaking. My post that I am currently typing is "Logos" because I am thinking things through, putting it into an identifiable order, and so forth. We get our english word "logic" from "Logos". Now for "Rhema". "Rhema" also means "word", and carries similar intellectual implications that "Logos" carries. However, "Rhema" focuses upon the actual words being spoken. While "Logos" focuses upon what takes place in the Mind, "Rhema" often focuses upon the words themselves. Now, to sum this up with an example, let's set the scene in a resturaunt in Paris. You and I are eating dinner in Paris, and we are talking in english about a painting we saw that day. The waiter comes up and he only understands French. Ok? Now, you and I would be speaking in "Logos" and "Rhema" to each other, because we would be understanding each other. The Waiter would be hearing "Lalia", because he wouldn't be able to understand english. Got that? Now, how does all that tie into Jesus being called "the Word". Jesus is called "logos". He is referred to as not only "the Word", but the thought behind it, the logic of the Word, and the intelligence behind the Word. By tying this into Genesis 1:1 as John did, he is stating that intelligence, thought, and Logic behind the creative words of God in Genesis chapter one is Jesus Christ. That is a bold and profound thought. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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5 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 31012 | ||
Greetings Jesusman! Excellent discussion of the three words for "word"! It is nice to hear from someone who hasn't fallen for the common error that "rhema" refers to the word of Faith! ;-) John 1:1 is a master piece on several levels. It said so much to so many. To the Greeks, as you pointed out, the "logos" was the intellence behind the universe. To the Jews, the "logos" was the creative force behind the universe. Thus, in one short sentence, John said as much as could be said about Christ to both Jews and Greeks! Wow! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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