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1 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 14627 | ||
To Tim--There are supposedly three groups that all believers fall into, Pretribulationist, Posttribulationist, and Prewrath. The only one that I have seen that doesn't have contradiction with Scripture is the prewrath position. When it come to a discrepancy in the timing of Christ return. All scripture on a particular subject have to be in line with each other for the result to be truth. Psalm 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, (New American Standard) CDBJ | ||||||
2 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 14628 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! What a coinicidence! I happen to be pre-Wrath myself! I can understand pre-trib. I don't see any case that can be made for post-trib! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 14670 | ||
Greetings CDBJ and Tim, same here. Pre-wrath is the only position that lines up with all scriptures dealing with the second coming and rapture. I was pretrib for most of my life just because that's what I was taught. One of the problems I have with explaining prewrath to my fellow brothers and sisters who hold to pretrib is that they want to view the rapture and the 2nd coming as 2 separate events. I try to explain it this way: What did the 1st coming of Christ entail? 1. His birth 2. His earthly ministry 3. His death 4. His burial and resurrection 4. His ascension. All separate events but they together constitute His first coming. Likewise, His 2nd coming will entail: 1. the rapture 2. the great tribulation 3. the wrath of God/start of the Day of the Lord 4. the battle of Armeggedon 5. His triumphal return (White horse) 6. Setting up the millenial kingdom. All separate events but together they constitute His second coming. What do you think? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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4 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | glory777 | 14674 | ||
You still haven't convinced me that pre-trib is not the valid time of the rapture of the saints. What is the purpose of the tribulation? Isn't it similar to what the Lord did to Pharaoh? The plagues didn't affect the Hebrews (His children). They were spared. So I believe that we will be spared. Rev. 3:10 also seems to promote that believers will be taken before the tribulation begins. Besides, I am not a very brave person:) Debbie |
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5 | How can Christ return be imminent? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 14715 | ||
Dear Debbie, The study of the rapture and Christ's second coming is, as you know, surrounded by much debate. And it's difficult to 'convince' anyone by just citing one or two verses and saying, "see there?" That is why, after looking at ALL the verses that deal with this subject, I found that the prewrath theory is the only one, for me, that stands up to close scrutiny. But I will try to answer your questions in brief. I'm at work, so I won't be able to list all the verses necessary to support this view. But one of the sources of confusion in this topic is the labeling of events. If we look at what scripture has to say, the 7 week period is NEVER called the Tribulation period. It is called Daniel's 70th week and it is divided into two three-and-one-half periods. The first 3.5 years is the time Christ calls 'labor pains'. The last 3.5 years contains what Christ calls the 'Great Tribulation' and the Day of God's Wrath. The great tribulation is also known as the time of Satan's wrath - against the church and the nation of Israel. This time period is cut short by God's wrath upon Satan and unbelievers. But before God's wrath is poured out on the world (the 7 bowls), believers, as you rightly discerned, His children are pulled out (the rapture). God's children are NEVER subject to His wrath because Christ took it for us. So, we will be spared the wrath of God. And, as you said, God performed the plagues in Egypt and delivered His children (Jews) from them. God performs the plagues in the Day of the Lord, and He delivers His children (believers) from them. My friend, this is only a summary and not at all comprehensive. If you would like to check out a couple of books that go into detail on this view, click on my name, email me, and I'll be happy to share them with you. Or email me if you would just like to discuss it further. Take comfort in the fact that we are never destined for God's wrath. I personally believe that God will protect most Christians through the time of Satan's wrath (the great tribulation) unless they willing step forward to proclaim the gospel and willing lay down their lives for the Savior of their own accord. I hope and trust that I didn't further confuse you. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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6 | Greek scholars, please help. | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 14716 | ||
Brothers and sisters in Christ, Does anyone have any insight into the Greek behind Revelation 3:10? Debbie cites this verse as a comfort that Christians will not have to go THROUGH the great tribulation. My understanding is that the phrase "from the hour of testing" can also be interpreted "through the hour of testing". Would any of you Greek scholars care to share your view on this verse's tranlation? Thank you. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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7 | Greek scholars, please help. | Bible general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 14733 | ||
Bill Mc "Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth" (Rev 3:10). The word keep (and kept) is tereo (Strong's 5083), which gives the idea of observe, watch and preserve. The word from (Strong's 1537) is ek or ex, which could mean from or out and gives the idea of completion. The New Living Translation says, "I will protect you from the great time of testing." There is nothing here to show we will be not go through the great tribulation. Steve |
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