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1 | Are pastors angels? | Rev 2:1 | Bereaniam | 178335 | ||
Thank you kind brother for your reply. The scriptures you cited does not show One Man Rule to me. These are the scriptures you cited: 1 Tim 3:1-7 These verses only give the qualifications for a bishop. Do you consider a bishop to be the same office/gift of a pastor? The word pastor(s) only appears once in the NT. A pastor (also prophet, evangelist, apostle,teacher) is a gift to the Body of Christ. I consider the pastor to be either an elder or an itinerant, at-large gift to the Church. In 1 Tim 5:1, just because it said not to rebuke an elder, how does that mean one-man rule? Does elder in this verse refer to the office of an elder or just a senior (presbyter)? Also this can be said if there are 3, 5, 10, etc. elders presiding. In 1Tim 5:17-19, it said the elders (plural) that rule well... Heb 13:7, 17, and 24 used the plural pronoun THEM. 1Pet 2:25 says the "Shepherd and Bishop of your soul...well this is referring to Jesus...not a pastor. Lastly, 1 Pet 5:1 cites the elders (plural) which are among you... According to my understanding, the scriptures you gave support plural leadership. Bereaniam |
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2 | Are pastors angels? | Rev 2:1 | kalos | 178359 | ||
Elders NASB Titus 1:5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, (Source: Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)) ‘Elder (presbuteros) and bishop (episcopos is translated "overseer") designate the same office (cf Titus 1:7; Acts 20:17; 20:28) the former referring to the man, the latter to a function of the office. The eldership in the apostolic local churches was always plural. There is no instance of one elder in a local church. ‘The functions of the elders are: ‘to rule (1 Timothy 3:4,5; 5:17) ‘to guard the body of revealed truth from perversion and error Titus 1:9 ‘to "oversee" the church as a shepherd his flock ; Acts 20:28; John 21:16; Hebrews 13:17. 1 Peter 5:2. ‘Elders are made or "set" in the churches by the Holy Spirit Acts 20:28 but great stress is laid upon their due appointment; Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5. At first they were ordained (Greek - procheirotoneo," "to elect," "to designate with the hand,") by an apostle; (e.g. Acts 14:23), but in Titus and First Timothy the qualifications of an elder become part of the Scriptures for the guidance of the churches in such appointment. 1 Timothy 3:1-7.’ ____________________ Bibliography Information Scofield, C. I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Titus 1". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". http://studylight.org |
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3 | Are pastors angels? | Rev 2:1 | Bereaniam | 178365 | ||
Brother Kalos, I so respect your wisdom, insight and diligence in contending for the faith in your notes to this forum. I recently (last week) submitted a three page letter outlining the duties of elders, documented with scriptures, to the elders where I "gather", and have gathered for the past 13 years. I let them know in the letter that the pastor rules like a CEO and lords over them (us). I asked them to prayerfully to investigate what I submitted. They are just "yes men" who cower in the pator's presence. At our Saturday night prayer where I attend faithfully (along with usually three or four others, maybe only one of our elders), I was pulled out by one elder and an associate pastor. The associate pastor is a relative of our "pastor" and on the payroll with 12 of their other relatives. He was vehement about the letter I sent out. He said if you don't like the way we run things around here, you should leave...the elder backed him up. I told the elder I just wanted to stir them up to study the scriptures because they are going to be held responsible for keeping out unsound doctrine. One of our elders does not even know who Paul, the apostle was...I asked him. His, Bereamiam |
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4 | Are pastors angels? | Rev 2:1 | kalos | 178412 | ||
Bereaniam, Thanks for the encouragement. I will be praying for the situation with your pastor that God will work things out. Grace to you, John |
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