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1 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Reformer Joe | 52601 | ||
Brian: While I grieve with you over the recent events, I do not think that the blaming of society and the state for the sins of certain church leaders is a biblical way of addressing the issue. You wrote: "Society cannot have morally strong adults (including religious leaders) if they are not given proper guidance from childhood on." And it is the parents in the church who are raising these future leaders, for the most part. No matter what the state or society does, it is the covenantal responsability of parents to educate their children in the things of God (Deuteronomy 6). The early church faced a pagan culture that perhaps even makes ours somewhat pale in comparison. Christianity transformed the culture not by being "a mirror reflecting the image of today's society," but by standing apart as salt and light in the midst of moral decay. The events of recent days have been tragic and reflect poorly on the name of Christ, and for that everyone who bears his name should be in fervent prayer. However, when a body that claims to be the church of Jesus Christ is caught publicly in sin, the course of action is not to pass blame on society and the libraries or minimize its own guilt in not only the perpetrating but in the covering-up of sin, but to confess its sin and repent before almighty God and the watching world. --Joe! |
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2 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Brian.g | 52619 | ||
By the way, I am not grieving for my Church. It's not perfect, and it never will be. This is not the first time the Catholic Church has had any issues and it won't be the last. Remember on the night in which Jesus ordained the 12 Apostles into the priesthood - Judas betrayed Him and Peter denied Him three times. Our current issues are a piece of cake compared to that first day. Brian |
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3 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Reformer Joe | 52624 | ||
You wrote: "By the way, I am not grieving for my Church." I didn't say that we should be grieving for your Chruch, Brian. We should be grieving the the name of Christ has been maligned by those who are called to glorify it. And as always, we should be grieving over sin in all its forms, both our personal ones as well as those we see in the world as a result of the Fall. You wrote: "It's not perfect, and it never will be." The church of Jesus Christ will one day be perfect, and for that I rejoice. "This is not the first time the Catholic Church has had any issues and it won't be the last." You seem to want to make this a Catholic/Protestant issue. I will readily acknowledge that Protestants have committed grievous sins, even sins identical to the ones being thrown around in the press today. In those cases, repentance and removal from ministry is called for, and if the superiors of such individuals covered up those sins, they should be called into account as well. God established church discipline in order to keep Christ's bride pure in doctrine and in practice. In my estimation, biblical church discipline ranks up there with the ministry of the word and the sacraments as marks of a true, functioning church. As I have said before, I am saddened by the treatment of the RCC in the media. It angers me that Jay Leno has to make his nightly joke about priests and pedophilia. But while the RCC is a victim of the persecution of the press, it is by no means an innocent victim. To point fingers and say that the world is just as guilty of the same sins is no defense of the actions of priests who have committed these crimes and the bishops who have covered up and defended them or excused them. Such iniquity is to be expected of the unregenerate, but not of the household of God. We who are Christians are indeed not perfect, but we have been called to a higher standard than the perishing world. --Joe! |
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4 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Jeshuafreak | 52631 | ||
Joe! and Brian- The issue is not the church. The issue is us. We are sinful and we are not in a right relationship with Christ, yes Christ alone. The church cannot do a thing for you. It's full of hard hearted, spiritually blind, legalistic, religious, arogant and prideful individuals . I am a Christian. A desciple of the Living Word, who is Christ. He is the Author and Finisher of my faith and He is growing me up in the maturity of it. RELIGION IS NOTHING THAT BENEFITS ANYONE!!!! Only a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can change the human heart. NO AMOUNT OF LEGALISM OR "HAIL MARYS CAN ATONE FOR SIN. ONLY THE FINISHED FINISHED FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS CAN WIPE AWAY THE STAIN OF SIN! PRAISE BE TO OUR FATHER AND TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!! CHRIST CHRIST CHRIST ALONE ALONE ALONE! NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN OR EARTH. NO SAINT OR MARY OR PRIEST. JESUS CHRIST ALONE IS OUR MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. JESUS CHRIST ALONE IS OUR MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. JESUS CHRIST ALONE IS OUR MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN!!!!!!!! QUIT DEFENDING THE BODY OF CHRIST. JESUS IS DEFENDING HIS BRIDE JUST FINE! HE WILL FIGHT FOR HER AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THANK YOU FATHER AND PRAISE JESUS AND THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT FOR LIVING IN ME. WE CAN ONLY DEAL WITH ONE PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST AT A TIME. THIS STARTS WITH YOU. RUN YOUR OWN RACE . FIGHT AGAINST YOUR OWN FLESH. GET ON YOUR OWN CASE AND GET YOUR OWN FACE DOWN UPON THE GROUND IN REVERENCE, AWE AND ADORATION OF THE MOST HIGH GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!! thank you all for praying that we all begin to get revelation of who HE is. We are a lump of clay some are hardened some are pliable. God will break you if you are hard and make you again...if you are soft pliable and willing He will use you for great things. Praises be to the Lord our God. AMEN |
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5 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Hank | 52634 | ||
Jeshuafreak, it's a long way from the Ozarks of Arkansas to the City of Roses, your beautiful Portland, OR, but still and all we can pick up your words quite well here, so there is no need to shout :-) (All caps is the internet equivalent of shouting). But I do agree certainly that Christianity today could get along better with less religion and more 'mere Christianity', to use a C.S.Lewis label. On a personal note, my son and his family live in Portland and my wife and I plan to fly out there, to arrive August 17, just two weeks after your wedding. --Hank | ||||||
6 | Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood | Jude 1:4 | Jeshuafreak | 52657 | ||
Hank, I appologize for blowing you away with my shouts. I was quite passionate in my response. I am so tired of legalism. I had first hand experience with it in myself. Probably another reason I am so passionately against it. Praise God He has moved from the wilderness of my religiosity to a land where I can rest in His Spirit and allow Him to do the changing. I couldn't do it by myself and i became bitter. There is freedom in knowing the Son of God personally. For whoever the Son sets free is free indeed. Thank you for your kindly rebuke. I will try to tone it down a bit. AND ENJOY YOU STAY IN PORTLAND!!!! -Jeshuafreak |
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