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1 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | mark d seyler | 141300 | ||
Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This passage speaks of someone who came out of the law, but is now returning to it. Remember the parable of the sower, and the one who believed, but did not follow through. Christ has no effect for the person who seeks to be justified by the law, who began well, but did not obey the truth. This verse does not use language equally specific as those verses that tell us our new life is eternal. It seems to compare more with those verses that speak of one who began with belief, but continued with works, not obedience to the truth. This person is not saved, and has not lost salvation. Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot (rejected with disdain) the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? This chapter of Hebrews is explaining the fulfillment and subsequent end of the animal sacrificial system. Vs. 16-17, quoting Jeremiah, states the New Covenant, an internal change, that replaces the Old Covenant, which could not perfect us (vs. 1). Vs. 18 summarizes the balance of the chapter, “Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” You either are saved by Jesus’ sacrifice or not. Vs. 26 says “if you willfully sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth.” You can have the knowledge without being reborn. You cannot continue to sacrifice animals as a covering for sin, it is no longer an option. If you continue to offer animal sacrifice, you declare by your actions that Jesus’ shed blood was no better that that of bulls and goats, an unholy (common) thing, having rejected the offered grace as though it were nothing. If you continue to rely on animal sacrifice, there remains nothing more for you but the judgment you will receive for you sins. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | DocTrinsograce | 141343 | ||
Brother Mark, While I agree with your conclusions, I am uncomfortable with arguments that are based on changes in the audience of a book of scripture unless the author explicitly states that that is what he is doing. For example, 1 Peter 3, Peter addresses various people: e.g., wives (v1), husbands (v7), everyone (v8), and later in the epistle the elders (5:1). I do not find such changes of address by Paul in Galatians. Of course, maybe I've missed it somewhere. Just my two, very humble, cents. Sorry if this is off topic, but it does seem to be an important point of exegesis. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | mark d seyler | 141344 | ||
Hi Doc, Tim pointed out to me what I understand to be basically the same thing. I think I now better understand the passage based on yours and his input. Thank you for your feedback. So it turns out I am still human, and prone to error! Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | DocTrinsograce | 141354 | ||
Sound exegesis is not something that we arrive at suddenly. Nor is it something that we will ever come to do perfectly. I listened to the Bork hearings in their entirety. (How often do you get to sit at the feet of a professor of constitutional law and hear him expound upon that incredible document?) The politicians would ask him questions about specific legal cases. He critiqued them on their own merit, repeatedly pointing out that his arguments did not reflect agreement or disagreement with the conclusion of the case in question. Instead, he explained the strengths and weaknesses of the mechanics by which the cases were argued and decided. Exegesis is similar. How we handle the scriptures is extremely important. Improper handling often leads to improper conclusions which leads to false doctrine. Even when it is all said and done, there is plenty of room for discussion and disagreement! Our methods need constant refinement and improvement. It is a continual learning process. I hope that you understand that I was not finding fault with you personally, brother. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | mark d seyler | 141401 | ||
Hi Doc, I do understand, and I truly appreciate your feedback. The truth is that I seldom have oppurtunity to receive critical review of my study results, and I need this. Thank you indeed my brother. Love in Christ, Mark |
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