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1 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | mark d seyler | 141300 | ||
Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This passage speaks of someone who came out of the law, but is now returning to it. Remember the parable of the sower, and the one who believed, but did not follow through. Christ has no effect for the person who seeks to be justified by the law, who began well, but did not obey the truth. This verse does not use language equally specific as those verses that tell us our new life is eternal. It seems to compare more with those verses that speak of one who began with belief, but continued with works, not obedience to the truth. This person is not saved, and has not lost salvation. Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot (rejected with disdain) the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? This chapter of Hebrews is explaining the fulfillment and subsequent end of the animal sacrificial system. Vs. 16-17, quoting Jeremiah, states the New Covenant, an internal change, that replaces the Old Covenant, which could not perfect us (vs. 1). Vs. 18 summarizes the balance of the chapter, “Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” You either are saved by Jesus’ sacrifice or not. Vs. 26 says “if you willfully sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth.” You can have the knowledge without being reborn. You cannot continue to sacrifice animals as a covering for sin, it is no longer an option. If you continue to offer animal sacrifice, you declare by your actions that Jesus’ shed blood was no better that that of bulls and goats, an unholy (common) thing, having rejected the offered grace as though it were nothing. If you continue to rely on animal sacrifice, there remains nothing more for you but the judgment you will receive for you sins. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | Morant61 | 141304 | ||
Greetings Mark! While I certainly agree with much of what you have written on this issue my friend, I would have to respectfully disagree that Gal. 5:1-7 is not speaking to Christians. In verse one, Paul commands his readers to 'stand' in the freedom that Christ has given them. He also commands them to not AGAIN take up a yoke of slavery. How could they 'stand' in freedom, or again take up a yoke of slavery, if they are not in fact free already? :-) It seems clear to me that Paul is warning Christians away from the false teachings of the Judaizers, not warning unbelievers that the Law will not save save them. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | mark d seyler | 141313 | ||
Hi Tim, Your points are good. Is the "fall from grace" that Paul speaks of more of a "falling into a false theology", producing a turning away from the works of the spirit? Or do you see this as a fall from salvation? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | Morant61 | 141314 | ||
Greetings Mark! Thanks for the response my friend! First of all, let me make clear that I am not a believer in 'Daisy' theology! :-) Christians are not saved by works, nor are they lost because of works! :-) I do believe that Scripture teaches that someone can willfully reject Christ. I would say that this is what Paul has in mind in Gal. 5. He says that they are 'estranged' from Christ and have fallen from grace in Gal. 5:4. Earlier, he said that they were 'turning to another gospel'. I don't believe they had reached the point of willfully rejecting Christ yet, but that they were dangerously close. They were being led astray by a false gospel of works. So, to use your terminology, I think that they were 'falling into false theology' which could then result in them rejecting Christ. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | lionheart | 141319 | ||
Tim,hello my brother. I'm not sure what you mean by Daisy theology,could it be what I call pie in the sky theology. I think many times people tend to over simplify things. The average person may see faith as mental ascent. But faith is oh so much more. True faith conotates action. James touches on this in Ja 2:14-18. We are absolutly NOT saved by works, but our faith or lack of it is evidenced by how we live and by what we do. The greek word for faith here is the word pistis which is an action verb. Our faith is evidenced by the changed lives we lead after we've asked Jesus to be Lord and Savior of our life. If I've twisted this in any way please set me straight. Your brother in Christ lionheart |
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6 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | Morant61 | 141350 | ||
Greetings Lionheart! :-) I was referring to the 'He loves me', 'He loves me not' theology that says everytime I commit an act of sin, I need to get saved again. :-) I certainly do agree with you that works are the evidence of a geninue faith. I am not saved by works, but if I am saved, I will have works. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | lionheart | 141351 | ||
Thanx Tim I appreciate your response. I've never heard the term Daisy theology before. Thank you for clarifying that for me. In Christ lionheart |
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8 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | Morant61 | 141378 | ||
Greetings Lionheart! It's usually used as the counterpart to the Calvinist Tulip! :-) Calvinists have the Tulip and Arminians have the Daisy! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Can you prove eternal security? | 1 Pet 1:23 | lionheart | 141389 | ||
Thanx Tim. Much appreciated. Your Brother in Christ, lionheart |
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