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1 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | Pastor Glenn | 63668 | ||
EdB, I have no thoughts on last Rites for someone still living. But, if they are already dead and the Catholic church tries to raise the dead, then no one should try to stop them if they pray in the name of Jesus Christ. However, "Hail Mary mother of God..." will not work. It says pray over him, anointing him with oil "in the Lord's name" not "in the Lord's mother's name. [ :-) ] You probably mean praying someone out of Purgatory. In this case they need to find a scripture that says "Is anyone among you *dead*? Then *he* must call for the elders ...". After the dead guy calls for the elders then someone will probably need to stop them from running away first... Pastor Glenn |
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2 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | EdB | 63669 | ||
Pastor Glenn Catholic "Last Rites" are done for dying people. The priest comes and hears the person’s confession, anoints him, a prayer of a salvation is spoken and it is believed he is healed from the wages of sin. It is kind of like a death bed conversion. I is very important to Catholics who believe without “Last rites” they are in trouble. "Last Rites" were offered to soldiers before they went into Battle. I'm surprised you aren't more knowledgeable about this. Most clergy are counseled on this should they ever happen upon a dying Catholic. I know it is part of chaplain courses and such. EdB |
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3 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | Pastor Glenn | 63672 | ||
I appologize EdB, I always beleived in praying for physical healing even for the terminally ill. King David prayed for Bathsheba's baby to live for several days, but he accepted it well when the baby died anyway. Death bed confessions seem far easier to accept then the sudden death of a loved one. I am sorry for offending you with my ignorant remarks. God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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4 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | Emmaus | 63681 | ||
Pastor Glenn, You and EdB may find this article on the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick from the Catechism of interest. I have never received this sacrament myself, but my wife did once before a surgery several years ago. Very recently she was prayed over by our pastor, at her request during another medical crisis. She did not receive the sacramental anointing that time. She only asked him to pray over her this time, which he did. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/heal2.html#SICK Emmaus |
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5 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | EdB | 63683 | ||
Emmaus Thanks for the input! When I first learned of the Catholic take on James 5 I said to myself how in the world do they come to that conclusion??? However each time I read James I find myself thinking about the subject. As time goes by I'm being to see or understand that interpretation. I'm not saying I agree with it, but how the Catholic’s came to the conclusion they did is not such a great mystery to me. I find the whole concept interesting. As I have had occasion to pray with people within short periods of time before their death. I have seen death bed confessions and conversions. EdB |
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6 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | Pastor Glenn | 63688 | ||
EdB, Again, you say you "...learned of the Catholic take on James 5 I said to myself how in the world do they come to that conclusion??? ". Is it the laying on of hands, the anointing with oil, or the death bed confessions that you find interesting? The thief on the cross was essentially a death bed confession. Some people resist until the end before they accept Jesus: Psalms 51:7Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8Make me hear joy and gladness, That the bones You have broken may rejoice. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart-- These, O God, You will not despise. Notice "...bones You have broken ..." and "broken and a contrite heart..." here. Also: 1 Corinthians 5 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[1] 2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. What do you think of these scriptures? Pastor Glenn |
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7 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | EdB | 63719 | ||
Pastor Glenn I try to understand where Catholics and other denominations are coming from. I enjoy seeing how say the orthodox read scripture different than the evangelicals, who read it different than the reformers, who read it different than the Pentecostals who read it differnt than the Baptist and etc. In this case most denominations and especially Pentecosatals see James 5:13-16 as a prescription for healing, while the Catholics view it more as instructions for performing "Last rites" Kind of divergent points of view, that I thought would be interesting to explore. Not many non catholics are aware of the Catholic point of view on these scriptures except other clergy trained in pastorial care/pastorial counseling. I thought since you title yourself pastor it would be a opportunity to discuss this subject with a non Catholic. I was sure Emmaus would involved and lend a catholic view point. No big deal EdB |
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8 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | Pastor Glenn | 63731 | ||
EdB, I read the site at: http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/heal2.html#SICK It was not clear at first glance that the focus is on last Rites, rather than for all general sickness. We should always look to the bible for what God is saying, above what our denominational tradition says. Jesus taught against tradition. Pastor Glenn |
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9 | scripture on healing | James 5:14 | EdB | 63732 | ||
Pastor Glenn I'm sorry, apparently I'm not making myself clear it is not about traditions. James 5:13-16 carries two ideas. One many focus in on that being healing and the other being what some call Last Rites. Until Emmaus pointed me to the site I was not aware that healing was an actual consideration in the Catholic ordinance of Last Rites. I always thought is was ministered when death was imminent, almost as a death bed conversion but more correctly to insure the confessor entered into Jesus’ presence bearing no unconfessed sin. As I stated earlier Catholic soldiers are given “last Rites before going into battle. As a child I had many catholic friends and I knew they feared sudden death without being able to take Last Rites. I delighted to hear the Catholics too see the hope of healing in James 5:13-16. I evidently was presented the Catholic slant on James 5:13-16 either by someone that did not understand their actual teaching or someone that has bias in his teaching, which is very common. Therefore this dialogue accomplished what I had hoped, a better understanding of the Catholic position. I pray you too learned from this exchange. Possibly we will dialogue on another issue. Until then be blessed and be a blessing EdB |
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