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1 | jesus born prior to earth? | Heb 13:8 | Hank | 35463 | ||
You are quite free to refrain from the term 'pre-existence' if you wish; you have stated your view and I mine. I see nothing essentially misleading or theologically unsound in my post or in applying the term to Jesus Christ. A very bright and learned minister of my acquaintance uses the term routinely. But, of course, you may be right. --Hank | ||||||
2 | jesus born prior to earth? | Heb 13:8 | RElderCascade | 35506 | ||
Your learned minister friend does not likely mean by "pre-existance" the thing that is most importantly distinguished from error, that Jesus Christ pre-existed in bodily form and made contact as a person with anyone at all in that state before being born in a manger to Mary. In Phil. 2 the hypostatic union is given more of a basis for our understanding. A real change occured in Christ's existance when He took on human flesh. He wasn't pretending or playing He really limited himself and did it gladly willfully. He was the only man who was 200 per cent of anything. We are 100 per cent human and so was He, but He was also 100 per cent God. Now what percent of human was he prior to the birth? Zero per cent is the Biblical answer. | ||||||
3 | jesus born prior to earth? | Heb 13:8 | Hank | 35509 | ||
ElderCascade, please allow me to make one point clear. I have never said, on this forum or anywhere else, that Jesus existed in bodily form before His incarnation. The term "pre-existence of Christ" doesn't mean, refer to, or even hint at the idea that Christ existed in bodily form at any time before the incarnation. On the contrary it is a positive affirmation of His divinity. He is none other than God Himself. Exegesis on John 1:1 from John MacArthur: "The Greek construction emphasis that the Word had all the essential attributes of deity, i.e., the Messiah was fully God (cf. Col 2:9). Even in His incarnation when He emptied Himself He did not cease to be God but took on a genuine human nature/body and voluntarily refrained from the independent exercise of the attributes of deity." --MacArthur Study Bible, p.1573, Word Publishing. --Hank | ||||||
4 | jesus born prior to earth? | Heb 13:8 | RElderCascade | 35535 | ||
Why don't you try to do a fair job of summarizing what I am saying rather than merely giving reactions to things that have not been said nor gone on at all. You exerted too much on this. Can you prove I laid any error at your feet? Remember the original question had only to do with; Jesus birth prior to earth? So, naturally one must discuss these issues related to that. Pre-existence as a possibility or not a possibility is being discussed in terms of a bodily form. I get this from the idea of a birth -- only a bodily birth. What other kind of a birth is there that makes sense in this context? |
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