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1 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | BradK | 123732 | ||
Searcher, I think brother EdB made a good point as well as yourself! I agree based upon the grammar of the passages you cited. Since they are masculine- I believe it is as God intended. The relevant Doctrinal passages in 1 Timothy and Titus are all masculine nouns. I've never bought the "cultural" thing because of this. It becomes an issue of submission- not a popular word these days. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 123749 | ||
BradK: Greetings Brad. I have read with interest the thread on going, so I thought I would add to it, if that's ok. The term used in Eph. for submit means "to arrange in order" no where does the word obey come in line with submit. The reality is we are called to mutial "subjection" which is the correct translation not submission. Eph 5:21 and 22 were written together, and not intended to be separated, but kept in one context. To further help bring my point out more, the responsiblity of the husband is much more of a servant partner. Men are in deed to submit, or be subject to the wife's welfare in EVERY way, just as Jesus has done for us all. Often I see the women are subjective to the point that almost looks like slavery. Yes Brad, submission is a unpopular word today and in years past. Because men have abused and misunderstood what real Biblical understanding of being a head of the wife means. Men are to be "as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body" Eph. 5:23 May I suggest a enlightening book, EACH FOR THE OTHER by Bryan Chapell Baj\ker Books 1998. This book has so awaken my heart to how as a husband and father I need to be. Let me give you an example of just one quote. "The head of a home stands before God on behalf of his family and he lives before his family on behalf of God. This is the headship God honors." page 37. I can say this one quote has so rocked my understanding of what God expects of me, I am humbled to the very core of my being. The 13 dollar price is one of the best investments I have ever made. I am wondering what are your thoughts are? Does this awaken any feelings? Blessings Brad. justme |
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3 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | BradK | 123752 | ||
justme, Good to hear from you, my friend. Thanks for the welcome input:-) No, I both understand and agree with what you're saying. Obviously, I just assumed the context would be understood. I meant submission just as you have so stated and in the biblical context. I agree with the servant partner and that we are to be in submission to one another as to the Lord.(Eph. 5:20) The issue I was speaking to was the Divine order of Biblical office as in 1 Tim. 2:12-15: "12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint." Thanks for sharing your perspective on an issue that is not at all easy to tackle. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 123757 | ||
BradK: always good to dialogue with you Brad. In the verses you have quoted, what if any part do you feel Paul might have been relating to the culture at his time? Any thoughts? justme |
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