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1 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Zsuzsi | 123548 | ||
Of course, Steve. But no Scripture should be taken out of biblical and historical context and so be used for teaching, reproof, correction or training in righteousness. (2Tim 2:14) If we read 1Tim 2 from the beginning, we see that Paul is calling EVERYONE to a modest and quiet life, not only the women... Women are LIKEWISE (1Tim 2:9) to be quiet and receive instruction from the men of the congregation who are not deceived by Satan as Eve was in the garden of Eden. Women were quicker to fall when it came to accepting false teachings. (2Tim 3:6) 1Tim 1 tells about existing misleadings in doctrine and living. In his epistles, Paul was trying to sort out this chaotic state of the early churches and he needed to clarify whom people should listen to and whose teachings they were to reject. Also see, for example, that in Rev 2:20 Jesus convicts the church of Thyatira of allowing the woman Jezebel to lead His people into sexual immorality and eating food sacrificed to idols. The Lord is not saying the problem is that she is a woman - the problem is with her teaching. I think we should also look at the historical context in which these epistles were written: in the ancient societies, women by tradition remained at home as housewives, most often uneducated, while their husbands were responsible for supporting the family financially. By now the status of women has increased to the extent that men in many places are equally responsible for the household tasks and women also have professional jobs. It comes without saying that no woman should teach God's Word without first learning about it but I think it would be just wrong to apply rules which were mentioned in reference to the traditions of the ancient cultures and not ours. It is much more important to look at the intentions of God and the writer of the actual passages and apply the rules appropriately in our societies. There are several passages in the Bible which are, even though truly God's inspired Word (I agree- everything in the Bible is what He wants us to know), impossible to keep word-by-word today. They wonderfully prove the Father's meticulous care to teach us how to live a healthy and peaceful life - He designed us, He knows the best what is good for us. But we know He is a God of the living, not the dead. See for example Leviticus 15, where we are instructed to wash ourselves completely when we have even touched a chair or bed which a menstruating woman has touched, and till evening we are to be considered "unclean". Can we keep that today? No. We don't even know when a woman has her period. But in contrast, God told Paul not to consider "unclean" what He has made "clean". (Acts 10:15, 11:9.) God should be allowed to choose women into His service if He wishes so... God does not want us to live under the law but to be free in Christ to serve Him according to His will (Galatians 5:18). Similarly, in contrast to the seemingly anti-feminist 2Tim 2 and 1Cor 14, we are also taught that it does not make a difference in Christ whether we are women or men (Galatians 3:28). In fact, if we take all of Paul's teachings literally, we should think women are to pray and prophesy with their heads covered, and assume that it is shame for a woman to have short hair or her long hair uncovered at all. (1Cor 11:13-15, in the context of 1Cor 11:2-16) But obviously in our modern culture it is not disgraceful at all any more... And God did actually leave marks in the Bible that tell us that He does choose women into His service: female servants of God, including prophetesses and teachers, are mentioned several times (eg. Deborah, Hannah, Esther, Anna, Priscilla, the 4 daughters of Philip etc) and Jesus also chose women into His service just as well as men (eg. the Samaritanian woman who spread His coming, Mary Magdalene, Mary and Martha the sisters of Lazarus, His mother was also with the apostles when the Holy Spirit ascended on them, etc). Looking at the biblical and social setting of 1Tim 2:4, I, genuinely and with the intention of changing my mind if it is proven that I am wrong, believe that Paul instructs women against two things in both 1Tim 2 and 1Cor 14: 1) They should not teach false doctrines (learn in humbleness and submission instead of teaching something they themselves do not know) 2) They should not engage in gossip in church (keep quiet in church, ask their husbands if there is something they are interested in etc) "But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner" 1Cor 14:40 But being a (very) young woman myself, and feeling called to God's service, if what I have written offends you in any way, please forgive me and I promise not to provoke you with this any further. I just pray that God shows me if I am wrong before I do anything that would displease Him. God bless you, your little sister in Christ, Zsuzsi |
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2 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | JCrichton | 123588 | ||
"But obviously in our modern culture it is not disgraceful at all any more" Hi, Zsuzsi! It was never about cultural values... the purity was mandated by God. He said at one time: "thou shall not kill." That has never changed. He commanded the people of Israel to stay pure; that too has never changed! God is not a cultural fad! Here's how much He cared about doing things his way (I will give you only the examples--as I am falling asleep I can't recall the passages exactly; but if you need to have them, just ask!): *One of Aaron sons brought a strange fire into the service--Yahweh struck him dead! *When returning the Arc one of the servants of David touched the Arc because it seem to be about to fall--Yahweh struck him dead! Those were diffent times... but the penalty for sin is constant: death (Romans 6:23). Can God choose a woman to guide His people? Yes! Did God choose woman to guide His people? No! It is interesting that with the "modernization" of society "Christians" want to modernize the Bible! The promise was made to Abraham not to his wife! The chosing of the Twelve was among men not women or unisex! True, women in the Bible and in society have a value in the ministries of our Lord. But they are not placed above men as far as responsibility and authority in the Church is concerned! We can, and many "Christians" have, negate the Word while giving credence to society's values (separation of Church and state--which just means removing God from a visible position in society; homosexuality as a "lifestyle" approved by some congregations as ordained and blessed by God; abortion as a form of respect for women's rights--actually means: fornicate, fornicate, fornicate (the product of such liberal "lifestyle" is an excellent source of medical research and development: kill in the name of justice and justify by capitalizing on the spoils!); there are so many more examples... like the various states world-wide who are constitutionalizing the eradication of the Bible...), as I said, we are voiding the Word of God to serve the creatures rather than the Creator. You have a strong understanding of the Word, please do not let emotions and false justification derail you! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | gods servant | 123591 | ||
God Calls women to ministry He called deborah to lead isreal in the book of judges(sorry I dont know exactly Where) we are all equal in Gods sight any taboo's about female preachers are of man. Always look to God, any answer you recieve here look up in the Bible some people may be decieved into beleiving that god doesnt want female's in ministry. Be careful not to get sucked into traditions Christ-ianity is about What Christ wants not about what man thinks is right. | ||||||
4 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | JCrichton | 123619 | ||
Hi, God's servant! How many judges were there? Why was Deborah appointed? It is God who choses! If a man is devoid of God or shuns his responsibilities God will use the woman to replace him! That's a given! But the actual covenant was not made with a woman! That has never changed; I am not projecting, this is God's own perspective--we must read the Bible and accept His Word! Could you tell me why Jesus chose 12 male disciples and not a single female disciple to entrust upon them the edification of the Church? Or are you saying that there were no females (single, divorced, widowed) in Galilee during Jesus' ministry? There was a purpose then, as there is a purpose now. Please, let this not be an argument about equal rights... in Jesus we are all the same, in God we are all equally sinners! But the Holy Spirit did not call a single woman to be a priestess! We must realize that when God instituted the priesthood He was not respecting man's cultural biases nor was He afraid of man. And to sugest that the Bible reflected the prejudice of the writers or of the Jewish culture would be to say that the Bible has been manipulated by man and thus not God's Word: About this time, when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenists made a complaint against the Hebrews: in the daily distribution their own widows were being overlooked. So the Twelve called a full meeting of the disciples and addressed them, 'It would not be right for us to neglect the word of God so as to give out food; you, brothers, must select from among yourselves seven men of good reputation, filled with the Spirit and with wisdom, to whom we can hand over this duty. We ourselves will continue to devote ourselves to prayer and to the service of the word.' The whole assembly approved of this proposal and elected Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, together with Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolaus of Antioch, a convert to Judaism. They presented these to the apostles, and after prayer they laid their hands on them. The word of the Lord continued to spread: the number of disciples in Jerusalem was greatly increased, and a large group of priests made their submission to the faith. (Acts 6:1-7) Not seeking to be argumentative... could this not have been an excellent point in the ministry to introduce female preachers and priestesses? The Apostles relied on the Holy Spirit to guide them, could the Holy Spirit not see that additional "workers" could have benefited the cause? Or do you figure that the Apostles, and the rest of the male disciples, were so prejudiced against females that they would rather work 24/7 in order to resolve the various problems that arose due to the constant need of the expanding Church? We have to stop accomodating the world and its values while simultaneously dismanteling God's statues and commands--God never goes out of style! What was constituted then was made eternal: So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it. (Matthew 16:18) The status of the Church was set then and there! God Bless! Angel |
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5 | angel i missed your point | 1 Tim 2:12 | gods servant | 123621 | ||
Angel Judges 4 After Ehud died, the Israelites once again did evil in the eyes of the LORD . 2 So the LORD sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. 3 Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to the LORD for help. 4 Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [1] Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided. I dont understand where youre coming from. deborah Was in charge before Barak said hed only fight if she'd come with him |
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6 | angel i missed your point | 1 Tim 2:12 | JCrichton | 123636 | ||
Hi, God's servant! Look at verses 8 and 9 and 21 through 24: Barak replied, 'If you come with me, I shall go; if you will not come, I shall not go, for I do not know how to choose the day when the angel of Yahweh will grant me success.' 'I shall go with you then,' she said, 'but, the way you are going about it, the glory will not be yours; for Yahweh will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman. But Jael the wife of Heber took a tent-peg and picked up a mallet; she crept up softly to him and drove the peg into his temple right through to the ground. He was lying fast asleep, worn out; and so he died. And now Barak came up in pursuit of Sisera. Jael went out to meet him and said, 'Come in, and I will show you the man you are looking for. He went into her tent; and there was Sisera dead, with the tent-peg through his temple. Thus God that day humbled Jabin king of Canaan before the Israelites. And the Israelites bore down more and more heavily on that king of Canaan, Jabin, until he was utterly destroyed. So the Lord used Jael to bring down an enemy of Israel when BaraK, a military leader, was ambivalent about his obligations and seeked to determine for God when and where God would bless him. God Bless! Angel |
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7 | angel i missed your point | 1 Tim 2:12 | gods servant | 123705 | ||
i wasnt thinking about the battle i thought that "SHE held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and THE ISRAELITES CAME TO HER TO HAVE THEIR DISPUTES DECIDED." judges 4:5 means that deborah was "ruling/judging" isreal instead of a male, because if god would rather have a male leading his people wouldnt judges 4:4 say it was a male instead of deborah? "Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, WAS LEADING Israel at that time." and if you read before that it doesnt say she lead because a male was scared to, like Barak was scared going in to battle? |
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8 | angel i missed your point | 1 Tim 2:12 | JCrichton | 123780 | ||
Hi, God's servant! I was attempting to convey the message that God chooses who He wants to appoint to whatever office He desires to fill... In the particular case of Barak, his cowardice kept him from achieving victory and being renown. When he refused to trust God, and rejected his office, Yahweh used a female, who was not a warrior, to bring about His Will! But the Promise was made to Abraham not his wife, Sara... every single covenant has been made to a male figure... the priesthood was entrusted to the male Levites... Am I saying that that means that God cannot use a female? No! But Biblical history demonstrates that He has chosen man to be the vessel of the priesthood. And Jesus did not change that selection! Has God ever use a female to bring about His Salvation Plan? Afirmative! Just like He chose Israel to be His people--and when Israel refuse to obey and exhausted His Patience (in God's terms of course), God used their disobedience to allow the Gentiles to come into Salvation. Again, I ask you to use the whole Bible as reference--we may choose to obey God or select a few passages that seem to OK "worship as you please." God Bless! Angel |
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