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1 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 123575 | ||
Greetings EdB! As Kalos's article stated, 'husband' and 'wife' are legitimate (I would argue preferable) translations in 1 Tim. 2:12. I would definitely say that choosing between two legitimate translations of a word is adding to Scripture! :-) There are indications in 1 Tim. 2 that Paul is talking about husbands and wives and not men and women in general. 1) First of all, Adam and Eve is used as an illustration in this chapter. Usually, Paul only uses them as an illustration of marriage. 2) Secondly, v. 15 mentions childbirth. Do all women have children? Are all women required to have children? The only legitimate context for childbirth is marriage. 3) Finally, v. 13 states that a 'woman' should not teach a man. Yet, we know that Priscilia was involved in teaching Apollos. So, it seems that there are two options involving v. 13. Either woman are never allowed to teach any man (note that there is no exception stated here regarding team teaching), in which case Priscilia was in the wrong and Paul never once corrected her. Or, V. 13 forbids a wife from teaching her husband, in which case Priscilia was correct in what she did. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 123579 | ||
Tim I really don't have a problem with this alternate reading. In fact I think it may clarify 1 Cor. 14:34, which to me is also saying a wife shouldn't question her husband in public. However when I offered an equally acceptable reading in another thread on another verse I was accused of adding to scripture and was quoted Rev 22:18. That hurt! I pleaded my case then and was summarily ignored so I thought I would take this opportunity to give a vivid demonstration with the shoe on the other foot. I was probably wrong for doing it but sometimes I get tired getting accused of things when I say something that doesn't agree with the direction certain people are rowing. As for Priscilla we really don't know what part she played in the instructing Apollos Acts 18:26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. She could have been actively involved or did nothing more that agreed with what her husband said. I think you will also agree the understanding of this verse for the last 2000 years has been that women should not teach men and that it has only been in last 100 or so years when such a view is not PC and that there has been a scramble to offer more PC alternate readings. EdB |
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3 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 123597 | ||
Greetings EdB! I must have missed that other thread! As far as Priscilla's role, Acts 18:26 is quite clear: "He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately." The third person, plural pronoun is used throughout, so she was an active participent in the teaching. Well, time for bed! Go day my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 123598 | ||
Tim How active? What part did she play what part did Aquila play? If I said we saw a young man acting badly and my wife and I took him aside and spoke to him. From that could you really tell what part my wife played. In this example just as in Acts 18:26 the part of each particiant played is not disclosed. In my example my wife could have done anything from keeping me from killing the young man to holding a course on manners. In Acts 18:26 Priscilla could have done anything from making sure Aquilla and Apolos was comfortable while they were discussing the issue to being the active instructor. EdB |
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5 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 123610 | ||
Greetings EdB! I agree that Scripture doesn't spell out her role in a huge amount of detail. However, my point was that the verse says that 'they explained to him the way of God more adequately'. So, she must have been an active part of the teaching. If only Aquila was doing the 'explaining', Scripture would not have used the word 'they'. :-) One of the interesting tidbits about Priscilla is that she is almost always mentioned first in Scripture. There has been much speculation about why this is so. Some have thought that she may have had the higher social status. But, I have often wondered if she might not have been the most active in 'ministry'. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 123616 | ||
Tim Thanks for your input I was trying to learn if something in Greek suggested an involvement level. I agree the “they” implies they worked together, but unless there is something that implies something different, as a helpmate Priscilla's function could have been anything from very minimal to very active. As for Pricilla being mentioned first when I was taught English I was told to always state the feminine before the masculine. For instance if I was talking about your wife and you. I would state “Tim’s wife and Tim did thus and such.” I have always assumed that was language etiquette. So when I saw Pricilla mentioned first I once again assumed it was nothing more than what I was taught. I will have to ponder that somemore. You may be very right Pricilla may have been the more dominate than Aquilla in their ministry together. However since scripture is silent on this to place her in a such a position is speculation is it not? Again I know many preachers use this verse as proof of the validity of women teaching men in spiritual things today and I guess I question their motive. Is it conviction or something else. EdB |
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7 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 123620 | ||
Greetings EdB! I'm not aware of any rule in Greek that mandates mentioning the female first. The only 'rule' seems to be that the more prominent person is mentioned first. For instance, early in Paul's ministry, Barnabas is always mentioned first, but later Paul is mentioned first as he takes more prominence. As far as the 'they' is concerned, 'they' is actually part of the verb 'explained' so she had to have been actively involved in the explaning. If you would like to do more reading on this side of the issue, I would highly recommend Walter Kaiser, Jr.'s book on Paul's difficult passages. While I understand that there is a long history for the traditional view, I also understand that cultural bias can also be a factor for it just as much as PC can be a factor in the newer view! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 123632 | ||
Tim I agree and thanks for the book suggestion. EdB |
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9 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 123643 | ||
Greetings EdB! No problem my friend! There is a whole series of books on difficult sayings in the Old Testament, of Paul, and of Jesus. While I don't always agree with the proposed solutions, they usually are well thought out. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Biblical - women preachers/teachers??? | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 123659 | ||
Tim I have two, one by Dr. Geisler "When Critics Ask" and Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser alonmg with a lot of material on this by Josh MacDowell. Always looking for more. EdB |
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