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1 | "He erased the certificate of debt" | Col 2:14 | Rowdy | 121996 | ||
In response, I can only quote Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle. It seems to me God's Word is very clear. Whenever possible, it seems prudent to take His Word for its straight forward message at face value. I'm afraid I will stand by His Word as being just that, as will most of the christians with whom I worship and know. However, I still pray for you to keep studying and keep an open mind to His guidance and His will. God bless. --Rowdy |
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2 | "He erased the certificate of debt" | Col 2:14 | Ray | 146140 | ||
Hi Rowdy, Matthew 5:17, #134001, 133986, are references for your discussion with Kalos. Going on from there, I am seeing that you go with the NIV which speaks of the "written code" and does not give the distinction between the certificate of debt and the decrees that the NASB suggests. I would like your contribution to the discussion below with mark d seyler. My question is, "How many pronouns of Deity does Colossians 2:14,15 have?" For instance, would you go with the KJ for "nailing it to his [His] cross"? Or, could you go with a combination of the NASB and KJ and say that "He has taken it out of the way, having nailed Him to the cross."? In that regard, then He would be a public spectacle as your incomplete quote of Col 2:13 suggests. But, in any case for verse 14, I would say that He made a public spectacle of the powers and authorities "through Him", i.e. the cross, as the NASB states. Hebrews 9:26b, "...but now once at the consummation of the ages *He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [Or, by **His sacrifice]." Colossians 2:14b, "...and *He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to [**His] cross." Compare/contrast 1 Timothy 2:6 [the *One] who gave **Himself a ransom on behalf of all people,... The stars and brackets are mine for comparison. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | "He erased the certificate of debt" | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146166 | ||
Hi Ray, Regarding Colossians 2:14, how do you think this compares to Ephesians 2:15 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (dogma); for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;” Do you think these are speaking of the same thing? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | "He erased the certificate of debt" | Col 2:14 | Ray | 147289 | ||
Hi mark d seyler, I don't think that the verses (Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15) are perfect matches although I think that the ordinances spoken of in both are the same thing. In comparing the verses and the passages in context, I find it hard to put into words the Persons involved. That is the focus that I would have in a study, looking at Jesus rather than the Law. 1) Is Colossians 2:14 speaking of God nailing Himself on the cross or nailing the certificate of debt on the cross along with Himself? Is Ephesians 2:16 talking about the cross or Himself as having put to death the enmity (that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances)? 2) I see Colossians 2:15 and Romans 8:2 as good matches as looking to the law of the Spirit and how He had disarmed the rulers and the authorities. 3) I see Colossians 2:20 and Romans 8:3 as good matches in that we have died with Christ and He has condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us. From the heart, Ray |
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