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1 | further details? | 2 Cor 5:8 | Searcher56 | 58298 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Cor 15:12-58, 1 The 4:13-18 ... Danieln, greetings. You ask ... So you would say that "death" means death of the body and that the soul or spirit exists apart from the body.. umm in the presence of God/heaven? - The answer is yes. If you have seen a dead body you are aware that it is without a soul or spirit. Based on the passages cited and those above this thought is supported. You ask ... this would also mean the the resurrection at the 2nd comming is only a ressurection of the body right? -That depends on your semantics. Some believe the rapture takes place before the tribulation and Christ doesn't come all the way to earth ... He does return to conquer the earth at a latter time. Another view is that He comes once when we are raptured and to conquer. There are other views. But, the most important thing is that we will have new bodies. Study the passages that have been cited. Hope this helps, Searcher |
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2 | further details? | 2 Cor 5:8 | danieln | 58311 | ||
its just that this thought occured to me.. 1) those who sin die Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. 2) Jesus died for our sins and now we have the hope of the resurrection 1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 3) your definition of death is just death of the body(with the eternal soul going to heaven) if we take Jesus out of the equation, then we still have eternal souls going to heaven.. therefore we dont need Jesus this is a disturbing thought. the core of this doctrine seems to lessen our reliance on Jesus besides the scriptures you mentioned 1 Cor 15:12-58 seems to pin all our hope on the resurrection, it says if the dead wont be resurrected then they are perished. 1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1Co 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. also 1 The 4:13-18 has the 2nd Advent and the resurrection as our hope |
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3 | further details? | 2 Cor 5:8 | EdB | 58324 | ||
Danieln Let's take a stab at this. As Searcher and I have stated when we die our spirit separates from our bodies. Before Jesus all the dead went to a place called Hades. Hades was split into two sections one for the unrighteous a hot dry place and one for the righteous (faith in the promised Messiah) called Abraham's Bosom or Paradise we see this in Luke 16:19-31. After Jesus’’ death he went to Hades and preached the “Good News” and lead the captivity captive to heaven Eph 4:8. Hades still has residents on the hot dry side, those who have died and did not looked to Jesus Christ for their salvation, they await the “Great White Throne of Judgement”. However the other side of Hades “paradise’ is now empty. When the righteous in Christ die they go to be with Jesus in Heaven. Then as Searcher said at the rapture our corruptible bodies will be made incorruptible and we will be reunited with them. Fear not the unrighteous are not running around heaven the only time they will appear there is for the Great White Throne of Judgement and to bow their knee to Jesus then they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. Rev 20:15. EdB |
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