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1 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228311 | ||
Hi Biblicalman, You wrote: - “If you think that the Ezekiel Temple will be located in Jerusalem then you have not read Ezekiel 40-48 through. You simply pick out verses that suit your case. Ezekiel 40-48 specifically cites his Temple as being outside Jerusalem. I suggest you reread it for yourself. See Ezekiel 40.2 where it was on a high mountain with the city to the south.” Ezekiel 40:2 – 3 “In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city. So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.” Please note: The earth will undergo tremendous changes prior to Christ return. Revelation 16: 18-20 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. Ezekiel 38:19 In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. Isaiah 40:9 Get yourself up on a high mountain, O Zion, bearer of good news, Lift up your voice mightily, O Jerusalem, bearer of good news; Lift it up, do not fear. Say to the cities of Judah, “ Here is your God!” You wrote: - “Zechariah 6.12 must be read in context. We are actually TOLD who the Branch is there. It is Joshua the High Priest.” Note: That is incorrect, it does NOT say Branch is Joshua the High Priest. Branch is a Messianic name. Joshua the High Priest was never King, and being a Levi, was not of the House of David. The Branch is Christ, a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek. Jeremiah 23:5 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He will reign as king and act wisely And do justice and righteousness in the land. Jeremiah 33:15 In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. Zechariah 3:8 [ The Branch ] Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch. Zechariah 6:12-16 Then say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” You wrote: - “Haggai 2.7, 9, ‘I will shake all nations, and the desirable things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory -- the latter glory of this house will be greater than the former --- and in this place will I give peace. - With regard to the desirable things of the nations coming see my previous post on Isaiah 60.14 re the riches that poured in to Jerusalem. They specifically came to the Temple of which Haggai was speaking. And the latter house was greater than the former when Herod built his magnificent structure, which was the admiration of the world. People gasped when they saw its beauty.” God would not allow King David to build His Temple because David was a man of war. So the Temple was built by King Solomon, chosen by God Himself. This Temple contained God’s Shekinah, the Ark of the Covenant and contents, and the Urim and Thummim. Herod’s Temple was built by a non-Hebrew for his own purposes. It lacked the Shekinah, the Ark, and the Tablets of the Law. How can it be possible that Herod’s Temple is greater than Solomon’s? How did Jesus give peace in Herod’s Temple? For your consideration, Holmes |
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2 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | biblicalman | 228316 | ||
I wrote: - “If you think that the Ezekiel Temple will be located in Jerusalem then you have not read Ezekiel 40-48 through. You simply pick out verses that suit your case. Ezekiel 40-48 specifically cites his Temple as being outside Jerusalem. I suggest you reread it for yourself. See Ezekiel 40.2 where it was on a high mountain with the city to the south.” Holmes reply: Ezekiel 40:2 – 3 “In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city. So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.” My reply It is no good just citing a Scripture, you have to demonstrate that it says what you mean. You are assuming that ‘there’ means the city. But in fact it means the high mountain. It is a repetitive phrase typical of the Old Testament. ‘So he brought me there’ is referring back to ‘he brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain’. Now you do not have to accept my word for it. The ground plan is made plain in Ezekiel 45. Holmes says Please note: The earth will undergo tremendous changes prior to Christ return. Revelation 16: 18-20 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. My reply: If you had said AT Christ's return I would have agreed with you. Great changes indeed. No more mountains (so how can the Temple be on a mountain?), the islands are probably also to be seen as having disappeared, or at the best moved hundreds of miles. Every city in the world is affected by it. Babylon is divided into three parts. Have you considered what other catastrophes would follow? The huge tsunamis. The great floods. Do you really think that mankind could survive a catastrophe on such a major scale? An even more vivid description is found in Revelation 6. 12-17. There even the heavens are rolled up like a scroll and the stars fall from Heaven. Do you notice when it takes place? ‘The great Day of their wrath is come and who will be able to stand’. It is in fact describing in vivid terms the coming judgment at the advent of our Lord Jesus Christ. So no they don’t survive it. It is the Day of wrath. The end of time. Nothing could follow this. Revelation 6 is in fact the description of world history from the first coming of Christ to the end of time. So yes there will be great changes. Mankind will not survive them. But of course any knowledgeable scholar will point out that this is apocalyptic. It is not inended to be taken literally. That is why Revelation is called ‘the Apocalypse’. |
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3 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | biblicalman | 228317 | ||
Hi Holmes I wrote: - “Zechariah 6.12 must be read in context. We are actually TOLD who the Branch is there. It is Joshua the High Priest.” Holmes says: Note: That is incorrect, it does NOT say Branch is Joshua the High Priest. Branch is a Messianic name. Joshua the High Priest was never King, and being a Levi, was not of the House of David. The Branch is Christ, a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek. My reply: Well lets see what it does say, shall we? “Take from them silver and gold and make crowns and set them on the head of Joshua -- the High Priest, and speak to HIM saying ‘Behold the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out of his place, and he will build the Temple of the Lord.’ Notice the play on words. He is called the branch because he branches out of his place to such an extent that he builds the Temple of the Lord. That is why he is called the Branch. Now that is quite clear to me. I do not deny that Branch can be a Messianic name (it can also be many other things). And I suppose that as Joshua was a kind of ‘type’ of the Messiah, it could be said to be so here. But there really is no denying, if we take the verse to mean what it says, that the Branch was the High Priest, Joshua, the priest ruler who was the first of many. And who was it who built the Temple of the Lord? It was Joshua, the High Priest, along with Zerubbabel (Ezra 5.2). I see no mention here of ‘king’. Nor indeed of the house of David. It says ‘He will be priest upon his throne’. So it makes clear that he is a Levite. Sadly there is too much expanding of Scripture to make it fit into a prophetic straitjacket. Now we will move on to a more positive note. Yes the coming Son of David will also be called ‘the Branch. So you correctly cite the Scriptures: Jeremiah 23:5 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He will reign as king and act wisely And do justice and righteousness in the land. Jeremiah 33:15 In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. Both are of course looking back to the idea of ‘the root of Jesse’ in Isaiah 11.1. Now these undoubtedly teach that the coming King will also be described as ‘the Branch’, and there it is in context. So on that I happily agree with you. But you cannot take such verses and say that anyone who is called ‘the Branch’ elsewhere in another context is the Messiah. Thus in Isaiah 4.2 we read, ‘In that Day shall the Branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the Fruit of the earth excellent and comely, for those who are escaped of Israel’ That is not speaking of the Messiah but of the God given fruit of the ground. But if you cited it out of context you could soon give the impression that it was referring to the Messiah. Jesus said ‘I am the vine, you are the branches’ On that basis there would be many Messiahs. You cite Zechariah as though you could simply apply these verses to the coming king because of the word Branch. But as we have already seen Zechariah 6.12-16 applies to Joshua the High Priest Best wishes |
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4 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228324 | ||
Hi biblicalman You wrote: You cite Zechariah as though you could simply apply these verses to the coming king because of the word Branch. But as we have already seen Zechariah 6.12-16 applies to Joshua the High Priest “ See Zechariah 6:13 “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” Joshua the High Priest never sat or ruled from a throne. He is not the “Prince of Peace,” nor did he ever serve as High Priest and King, “the two offices.” Where in scripture is the fulfillment of this prophesy that Joshua the High Priest is sitting on and ruling from his throne? Holmes |
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5 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | biblicalman | 228338 | ||
Hi Holmes, Holmes says: You cite Zechariah as though you could simply apply these verses to the coming king because of the word Branch. But as we have already seen Zechariah 6.12-16 applies to Joshua the High Priest “ See Zechariah 6:13 “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” Joshua the High Priest never sat or ruled from a throne. He is not the “Prince of Peace,” nor did he ever serve as High Priest and King, “the two offices.” Where in scripture is the fulfillment of this prophesy that Joshua the High Priest is sitting on and ruling from his throne? My reply: The High Priests certainly ruled over Israel for a considerable period of time, and there can be no doubt that Zerubbabel and Joshua 'ruled' together, prior to Zerubbabel disappearing. That is why they are constantly mentioned together (Ezra 3.2; 5.2). Thus he was 'ruling'. The Hebrew word for 'throne' simply means any kind of seat. I presume that you will accept that he sometimes sat down when making his decision? Thus he ruled from his seat. But in fact he did more than that because after Zerubbabel the governorship passed to a Persian, as we know from the Elephantine texts. And following Persian methods he would leave detailed administration (ruling) to native leaders, that is at this time, the High Priest. And Joshua was the High Priest. Thus he ruled Israel and i suspect most would see his seat as a throne. I see no mention of a Prince of Peace. Perhaps you will direct me to the version which has that in? It is not in the Hebrew text. The two offices are not priest and king. They are priest and ruler. And Joshua combined the two offices. And the emphasis is on him being the PRIEST on his throne.The point is that religious and civic duties will be carried on in harmony. As Scripture does not deal with the period after the building of the second Temple, (there is a gap of some sixty years between Ezra 6 and Ezra 7) we would not expect to find the total fulfilment mentioned. But it tells us sufficient to see that Joshua did rule alongside Zerubbabel. Are you suggesting that no prophecy is valid if its fulfilment is not mentioned in Scripture? I would not say it too loudly if I were you :-)) It would rob teachers on prophecy of nine tenths of their material. Best wishes |
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