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1 | speaking in tongue | 1 Cor 12:13 | Country Girl | 125341 | ||
Mr. EdB has posted an excellent explanation of spiritual gifts, including speaking in tongues but it seems to me there's just one thing missing. Correct me if I'm mistaken as I might be but isn't the following true? There's not one single instance in the NT other than in Acts 2 with the establishment of the church and Acts 10 with Cornelius, where people in the NT received this miraculous powers ONLY with the laying on of hands by the Apostles? As a matter of fact, Acts 8 makes this very plain. There, people were baptized and became christians and then only after the laying on of hands by the Apostles did they received these kinds of miraculous powers. The baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and 10 was done for very specific reasons, 1) to establish the church and 2) to endorse the sharing of this Gospel message with Gentiles as well as Jews, respectively. Since we have no more living Apostles amongst us, it's difficult to believe in the modern manifestation of miracles from common men and women, even christians in today's world. Again, I may be mistaken, if so please feel free to correct me. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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2 | speaking in tongue | 1 Cor 12:13 | EdB | 125357 | ||
Country Girl I think you fail to make a convincing case for two reasons. First the gift of tongues is listed as a gift of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:4-11. There is no mention in this passage of any additional requirements. None of the other gifts required the laying on of Apostles hands so why assume tongues do. Two Paul was forced to deal with abuses within the Church of Cornith. So apparently it was wide spread and unless Paul on a previous occasion had laid hands on everyone there were some talking in tongues that didn't have hands laid on them. Also in these passages Paul says he desire all to speak in tongues yet gives no requirement that he must first lay hands on them. I will agree your statements, "The baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and 10 was done for very specific reasons, 1) to establish the church and 2) to endorse the sharing of this Gospel message with Gentiles as well as Jews, respectively." And I think this explains some of the confusing wording Paul uses in 1 Cor 14:20-25. However there apparently there are other uses for tongues such as Acts 2 where disciples were praising God and people heard them in their language. While you can this helped establish the church and it did it also helped getting past the language barrier to let the others know they were praising God. I believe this still happens today in cases with missionaries where they are sharing the word of God and they are heard by someone that does not know the language they are speaking but hears them in his own language. We are very skeptical of things and particularly anything that seems strange and can be done in the flesh. And rightly so since there have been some much done in the flesh. I get upset when someone give a message in tongues and there is an interpretation like “the grass is green and the sky is blue and God loves you.” These generic messages I don’t believe are from God but are birthed in the mind of the people doing it. Does that make tongues invalid? No it just says it can and will be abused. I believe tongues occur today but with much less frequency than what has become a common occurrence in many churches. I believe it takes a very dedicated person to give an authentic message in tongues, a person that has spent many many hours before the Lord. I just don’t believe there are that many people today that pray that much. Many claim to but I don’t see it in their lives in other ways. To me one of the most important aspects of the speaking in tongues is the ability to pray when I just don’t know what to pray. Even this can be abused. When I first started praying in the spirit I learned patterns and repeated them soon I could kick my brain in neutral and pray endlessly for hours in nothing by tongues. God has let me see this wasn’t praying, I was mindlessly repeating what to me was gibberish and passing it off as prayer. I now pray in tongues but my mind remains focused on the object of my prayer and the to whom I’m praying. No longer do I pray mindlessly for hours but I pray with purpose both in my native tongue and with a language I do not know. EdB |
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