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1 | Baptism of the Holy Spirit after reborn? | 1 Cor 12:13 | retxar | 3970 | ||
Sorry I came across as I was seeking to debate. I was not. Sorry. I was only expressing my beliefs, as you, which I base on scripture, not experience. A few more points to ponder, and I will shut up. If Acts 2 does not mention the baptism of the Holy Spirit, where is Jesus’s promise fulfilled in Act 1:5? 1Cor 14:2 says “For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for NO ONE understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries”. I can’t understand how anyone could say tongues could be a known world languages, based on 1Cor 14? I have heard testimonies as such, but I can’t see how anyone could use 1Cor 14 to back it up. As far as the tongues in Acts 2, I said “this COULD have been a miracle of hearing”. Please don’t think I do not believe the disciples could not have spoken in real foreign languages. I was just giving another possibility that would be consistent with other accounts of tongues in scripture. In Jesus Love |
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2 | Baptism of the Holy Spirit after reborn? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Brent Douglass | 4348 | ||
Thank you for your encouragement in reference to the different sources of "baptism" as referred to in Scripture. Upon reviewing our earlier notes, I realized that I hadn't responded to your question about how someone might see 1 Cor 14 as referring to human tongues, and I wanted to clarify how it is possible (I would even say more accurate) to view it in this way. First please allow me to paraphrase some verses from 1 Corinthians 14 to provide a background. The point of 1 Corinthians 14:2 (actually vv.2-5 at a minimum) isn't that there is something mysterious in tongues that is impossible to understand naturally. The point is that tongues are not given for the purpose of revelation (as is prophecy) but rather for the purpose of pure Spiritual prayer and worship uncorrupted by human interpretation. The flow is from God the Spirit through the gifted believer and back to God; in this process, the speaker is edified in spirit only by this act of pure (unsullied by any fleshly interpretation) thanksgiving, prayer and-or worship. Prophecy, in contrast, flows from God the Spirit through the gifted believer and out to the congregation; by its very nature, spoken prophecy edifies the hearer(s) as well as the speaker. Let me also paraphrase verses 13-19. The only way that others (or even the mind of the speaker) can participate in the edifying worship of a tongue (language) is if they can understand it. If there is no one to interpret, the speaker is to simply remain silent, since his gift is useless in offering true edification to others (vv.27-28). [Paul is writing to a group of believers living in a given city, as opposed to many visitors from various languages converging for worship (as at Pentecost). It is natural to assume that they speak the same language(s), and there would be nothing to identify the prayers as coming directly from God if they were spoken in a language common to all there and known by the speaker. Likewise, there is nothing to identify the language as anything but barbarian mumbling with no meaning or purpose, unless someone understands.] Finally, in verses 10-11, Paul specifically and explicitly links this practice to "languages in the world" -- the speakers of which are unintelligible barbarians to those who can't understand them. This explanation is right in the midst of Paul's exhortation about correct use of tongues and, therefore, logically clarifies them as being human languages. While one may potentially disagree, this is a most direct reading of the context, not an invented interpretation. As a side note, I find that Pentecost (while a somewhat unique situation in which this gift was specifically accompanied by the first filling of the Spirit, physical tongues of fire, Peter's first reported sermon, and a great number of new converts) also meets the guidelines and descriptions laid out in 1 Corinthians 14. The tongues were used for worship, were real languagues, and were interpreted by someone present. However, the parallel is limited. In 1 Corinthians 12-14, there is no connection of tongues (or the other gifts mentioned) with the filling or baptism of the Spirit. They were linked at Pentecost, but this does not appear to be the norm. |
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