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1 | Concept of Heaven and Hell in OT | 1 Cor 10:20 | Timaeus | 184688 | ||
There are these three references of heaven and hell that I could find in the OT. These have both words in same sentence, there are others as well. Job 11:8 [It is] as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there]. Amo 9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down The doctrine of purgatory is found in (I think) the book of Maccabees. Protestants do not include this book in the (divinely inspired) canon. The Catholic church at times referred to the apocrypha as deutero-canonical, or the second canon. You have a long road ahead of you, a lifetime of study trying to decipher all religions of the world. Remember, Paul said that knowledge puffeth up. The main thing to remember is the definitive difference between Christianity and all other religions. That is the fact that we are the only religion where the leader dies for the salvation of someone else, and was not out to improve his own lot. Blessings, Tim |
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2 | Concept of Heaven and Hell in OT | 1 Cor 10:20 | Lon3RB | 184710 | ||
I was talking about my "Religion's of the World " class with someone at work. She could not believe that the teacher didn't know certaina things. For example Mrs Shah didn't know that Protestants don't do the sign of the cross. When she found out that this was true she replied "You don't believe in the cross." Glory! The idea of purgatory in the old testament came from someone who claimed to be protestant. Although she was trying to figure out the sign of the cross. Maybe my classmates don't read their bibles. Mine is pretty well read. I was suppose to bring in something to show my religion. I brought in a number of things. Two of those things were bibles. ONe was a King James Version copywrite 1983. The cover was off of it. The other was a Revised STandard Version 1901. The cover is a little ragged, but it is in better shape than my KJV. I also brought in two hymnals. Mom use to be a choir director. She had a "Pilgrim Hymnal" from when she directed at the Congregational Church. I also brought in a hymnal/story book from Ideals "Guideposts." And two reference books. All this plus information for my Oral Presentation which included two photo albums. I am glad you clarified that purgatory was a Catholic thing. That was what I thought. I also know that the Pope is Catholic. But my teacher talks as if the Protestants are under the Pope. I had this same trouble when I visited the HIndu Temple. A particular Priest was said to be like "the Pope." But it might have been said more personally than that. Like "your Pope." So the joke and/or outrage of the day is that the Pope has become Protestant. I mean Catholics and Protestants both believe pretty much the same thing. Right? So why not group everyone together? I do remember studying the Protestant REformation at one point. And if I am correct Protestants are under the Pope. We kind of "broke away" from the Catholic church. |
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3 | Concept of Heaven and Hell in OT | 1 Cor 10:20 | Timaeus | 184720 | ||
Hi again Lon, I think you are studying very well, there are very important issues that should be cleared up, for your own understanding. You want to be able to own your belief and not guess or wonder. No, Protestants are not under the Pope because the pope claims to be the head of the church, as well as the vicar of Christ. The pope has proclaimed the tradition of the church to be co-equal with Scripture. The Bible claims that Christ is the head of the church, which is Christ's body. The Holy Spirit is the vicar of Christ. (vicar means mouthpiece) I think it is sinful to usurp authority. I believe God's Word to be the final authority in all manners of doctrine and faith. (cf 2Tim 3:16) For, when tradition conflicts with Scripture, we are forced to choose between the teachings of two sources. That is where the Protestant cry of "Sola Scriptura" came from, because the Roman Catholic Church was placing too much emphasis on tradition, and Scripture was forced to take a back seat. When the Bible says we are saved by grace and not by works, and the pope says we can be saved by either grace or by works, who do you believe? Since the doctrine of purgatory is found not in the divinely inspired canon, I feel that it is a man-made doctrine and can do nothing for my relationship with my Savior. I cannot see how the Catholic Church can exist without the doctrine of purgatory, and there are many other doctrines they espouse to that were non-existant in the early church. Martin Luther did not set out to cause a Great Reformation, he did not intend to cause any split in the church that he loved. The Holy Spirit works in the hearts of believers in order to keep the church pure. This is how the split came about, and there are now more than 400 protestant denominations and, I have heard over 4,000 non-denominational churches. This is because of man's pride and arguments over non-essential issues. Disagreements over such things as whose name are you baptized under, even by sprinkling or immersion are often unable to be overcome so another new church gets started. I have found a local church that teaches God's Word alone, verse by verse and chapter by chapter, book by book. I will pray that you can find a good church home that you can build a relationship with our Lord and Savior, and not place greater attention on religion, as the Pharisees did and were scolded for it. God Bless you in your search for the truth. Tim |
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