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1 | Ordo Solutis | Rom 8:30 | DocTrinsograce | 129007 | ||
The "ordo solutis" has to do with the order in which the components of salvation are accomplished. I think Perkins overdid it a bit, but he sure spent a lot of time thinking about it. You can see his complete chart at: http://members.aol.com/Graceordained/predchrt.html |
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2 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Country Girl | 129617 | ||
I just checked out Mr. Perkins' chart and read his notes or at least as many as I could understand. (Nice music.) I realize there's great controversy about the action of baptism and exactly where it figures into this process but I must admit I can't understand how he could leave it out of the chart altogether and not address it at all. The Bible clearly puts quite a bit of emphasis on this vital step in the Salvation process so I must ask the question. Are you endorsing this website, chart and related notes from Mr. Perkins as being complete and total in reflecting the whole Plan of Salvation from our God? Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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3 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Mommapbs | 129638 | ||
Greetings Country Girl - Perhaps Mr Perkins left the "action of baptism" out because it is not a "vital step in the Salvation process." (Eph 2:8-9) The issue of baptism has been discussed SO many times on this Forum and people are rarely moved from their perspective . . . perhaps if anyone is interested in this subject they could be directed to the archives. In Christ, mommapbs |
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4 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Country Girl | 129640 | ||
I guess you've done a wonderful job of showcasing my point. The word baptism or some derivative thereof is cited in 87 different verses of the Bible, all in the NT. Just to keep things in perspective, the word repent and its derivatives are in the Bible, including both the OT and the NT, a total of 70 times. As my kids used to say, "Duh, what's wronng with this picture? I don't want to belabor the point as I'm sure you've got it by now. It almost seems someone has pulled a big scam on people in deceiving them into believing against this vital step in the Salvation process. But as you say, "people are rarely moved from their perspective." I guess we can only pray that people will re-study the topic and make certain that I'm only citing the truth with this post. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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5 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Hank | 129651 | ||
Country Girl: Perhaps you are privy to who perpetrated the "big scam" of deception on "people" that resulted in pandemic disbelief in baptism. To my knowledge, orthodox Christianity has never abandoned the practice of baptism, but vast numbers of Christian communions do not hold to baptismal regeneration, i.e. they do not consider it part of what you call the "salvation process," whatever that means. By the way, what does it mean? --Hank | ||||||
6 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Country Girl | 129668 | ||
I realized when I posted that statement there would be several who wouldn't agree with the sentiment of my post. Please believe me, I really am trying to be objective, thus my citation of the number of times those words appear in the Bible. I might remind you that just a few hundred years ago, you and I would be in a serious amount of trouble in some countries for just reading the Bible and in more serious trouble still for speaking out against the Catholic church. I remind you of this fact to say just because a particular fact does NOT enjoy the popularity of the majority, that doesn't make it any less of a fact, especially when it's from God Almighty. Yes when I look over all those 87 verses, I'm reminded of the tremendous value christians put on that part of the Plan of Salvation or Process. One of the best I can recall is Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. I can understand how some folks interpret other scriptures to exclude the importance of baptism. What I can't understand is how a true Bible scholar such as Mr. Perkins can leave it completely out of his chart altogether. What would be your guess as to how this deception was perpetrated on Bible students? Blessings to you, dear friend. Country Girl |
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7 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Morant61 | 129672 | ||
Greetings Country Girl! The number of times a word is used does not indicate that it plays a role in salvation. For instance, 'cirumcision', and it's derivities, is used 82 times in the NIV. However, circumcision has no role in salvation whatsoever. :-) Baptism is one of many things that Christians are commanded to do after they are saved. However, it does not save us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Country Girl | 129729 | ||
You seemed to have skipped right over the most important portion of this topic. The main difference between the 82 citations of circumcision and the 87 citations of baptism is the fact that many, many of those verses with baptism are directly linked with salvation as the one I quoted from Galations. Let's try to stay focused on the subject, shall we? Baptism is one of the things we're commanded to do but the Bible is at the very least just as clearly in favor of putting baptism before salvation as those few verses that seem to leave it open for interpretation. So again it seems to be prudent and err on the side of caution. Since you brought up circumcision, think of it this way: Did a man converting over to the Jewish faith in the Bible become a Jew before or after he was circumcised? I guess you see my obvious comparison, the ritual of circumcision to the ritual of baptism. Seems rather powerful...come to think of it, I really appreciate your bringing circumcision into this discussion. Thanks. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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