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1 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 66074 | ||
Johnny We have been over this many times in many threads in the the last few weeks. You stated Jesus never told anyone to pay a tithe. I showed that he did. Matt 23:23 You said the disciples never got paid for preaching I showed you they did Luke 10:7 You said Paul never took money for preaching I showed he did. 2 Cor 11:8. You said Paul never taught that a preacher should be paid I showed where he did. 1 Cor 9:14 1 Tim 5:18. You said only a Levite can receive a tithe and I showed that a non Levite can and did recieve a tithe. Genesis 14:20. You said tithing is under the law and I showed where tithing was done before the law Genesis 14:20. I also gave you biblographical info to read that will show Tithing is a social custom in many cultures which is used to show respect and honor and tribute to another. You said Jesus never said a peacher should be paid. I showed he did in Matt 23:23. Now you say show where it says Jesus received a tithe. I can't. However you can't show me where the Bible says he didn't. Tithing was a social custom besides being a part of the Law and is used to show honor. Many read Mark 15:40-41 to say that many women gave into Jesus' ministry so it is very possible one of these women tithed into Jesus' ministry. I can't say for sure they did and you can't say for certain they didn't, yet you do. Therefore your statement is not known to be true. You now say show me where the disciples took a tithe or paid a tithe, I can't. However you can't show me where it says they didn't. Yet you state they didn't and that is not known to be true. By you dogmatically stating Jesus did away with tithing is untrue. Jesus did not do away with anything. He freed us from the failure to keep the law in that sense he freed us from the law but the law still stands. The law says do not murder someone do we claim Jesus did away with the law therefore we are free to murder? No! The reason I say your making false statments is you make dogmatic statement about tithing that are simply not supportted in scripture. EdB |
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2 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66108 | ||
My condition there is simple show me the scriptures that He received tithes, or the desciples that give or receive tithes. The mere fact that you cannot show it meaning it is not included in thier teaching. If this tithes is important it must be happened to the life of apostle, but they never do it, what always happened in terms of giving is love offering, the example of widow is a very fact that love offering is the teaching of Christ Paul teach us to give as cherful giver, if the tithes is the true teaching of Christ, why paul teach love offering instead of tithes. As paul he receive his teaching not from man but from Jesus Christ. So paul should teach tithing instead of love offering, if Christ really teach the tithe. What you showed me is your conclusions, bible was not written for your conclusions, it was written to believe in it. The woman help paul trough love offering paul did not ask them to give ten percent of thier income, it is you conclusion said that they maybe give tithes. If tithes is requirements and important the desciple should teach that and observed that but it never mentioned meaning it is not important for Christian. I asked you to show me the scriptures if they receive tithes, and give tithes. Your answer is but me I cannot show you too that they did not, if you you understand logic, how can I show the things that is not there! it is your responsibility that show that there is any people that observed tithing not me because I am believed that there no desciples in the new testamnet that observed tithing. So how can I show the things that I really believe that was not there, please repair your logic it quiet broken. I was wondering, and continue wondering, even before the law the tithe is not a requirements abraham give tithes but no one requires him to give but he gave. Under the law it was required by moses to give to the levites. it become an important part of thier religion. When Christ, he free us from the works of law, and make tithes not a requirements by teaching love offering. I was wondering that after Christ free us from the requirements of the law there people that trying to take them back and make again the tithes as a requirements. So the sequence is this. The time of patriach, the tithe is not a requirements but voluntarily as abraham did. In the time of moses it was a requirements. In the time of Christ and the desciples, it was love offering, when the time EdB comes, it was a requirements again. Go on EdB, I hope there are someone comes again that will free us in tithes as a requirements. God bless, Johnny I was wondering that there are people that trying to teach teaching that was not taught by the apostle, there people trying to be wiser than the authority of the bible. |
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3 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 66141 | ||
Johnny I have answered every one of your statements. I either agreed with you, or disagreed and showed you how your statement was wrong by showing the truth and giving chapter and verse. I have readily admitted things that no one could prove, because they are simply not addressed in the Bible. I then said because it isn’t mentioned we should not assume it never happened. You mocked my logic. You said if it was important Jesus would have mentioned it. Then continuing with your logic you state because Jesus never mentioned it we shouldn't do it. Is that logic? Is it the truth? Jesus never mentioned driving or riding in a car yet it so very important we do this everyday, maybe we shouldn’t be doing it or maybe your logic doesn’t hold water. You mock me by insinuating I'm placing myself in the same authority of Abraham or Moses. Yet you have learned this obscure teaching on tithing from one man (your pastor) and you place it above the commonly accepted teaching in the church today. In effect you saying God has left the church be wrong all this time, and is now trying to correct this mistake by revealing to a few people the real truth. Doesn’t that sound a little suspicious to you? There are men, that have given their entire lives to serving Christ, that haven’t been told they are wrong teaching tithing yet God has revealed it to you and a few others. Who here is really elevating themselves? Johnny you have accused me of trying to start a fight, of insulting you. Yet I never belittled or mocked you, I never made fun of you. I never intentionally insulted you, yet you went out of you way to do so to me. Then still you claim to be such a student of the scripture that you are seeing things others have missed for centuries. Let us just stop this charade here and now, you don’t want the truth you want to crusade your belief on tithing, lording it over anyone that you can. EdB |
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4 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66149 | ||
You want me to stop but you still using your deffective logic. You write"I have readily admitted things that no one could prove, because they are simply not addressed in the Bible. I then said because it isn’t mentioned we should not assume it never happened. You mocked my logic. You said if it was important Jesus would have mentioned it. Then continuing with your logic you state because Jesus never mentioned it we shouldn't do it. Is that logic? Is it the truth? Jesus never mentioned driving or riding in a car yet it so very important we do this everyday, maybe we shouldn’t be doing it or maybe your logic doesn’t hold water." You know that we are talking about tithes but again you used another excuses like cars. Did cars is important for your salvation is that a doctrine that Christ has to mentioned it. We are talking about doctrine and teaching here not cars, and specifically tithing and not with the problem of traffic police. Please dont think that Christ will do teaching about cars or traffic this will not do with the teaching of Christ! I want really this topic remains in a Christian tone, but it is start accussing me of false statement. You try to insist your logic even it is nothing to do with the topic. Johnny |
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5 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 66248 | ||
Johnny I didn't change subjects, I was using an example of your logic to show you your logic did not bear up. As for changing subject I never once mentioned salvation. Yet you bring it up. I have repeatedly said that while tithes are not commanded, they remain a perfectly acceptable form of worship to which you keep saying that is untrue. I have repeatedly asked you to show me where Jesus said do not tithe. You did not, instead you asked me where Jesus said to pay tithes. I showed you. You asked me to show you where Jesus received a tithe and I clearly stated such an act is not recorded in scripture but no one can positively say he did not. You said show you where the disciples paid a tithe. Again I said I can not but just because it wasn’t recorded does not prove they didn’t. I have even went as far as saying that in both cases, Jesus receiving a tithe and the disciples paying a tithe, that I did think both occurrences were unlikely, however we still could not speak with certainty. The main reason I’m having this discussion with you is not to prove or disprove tithing. I am trying to you that while you can have your opinion it is just that an OPINION. Do not try to present it as a fact that everyone must agree with. Why is that so hard to understand? EdB |
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6 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66263 | ||
then, your logic is wrong, we are talking about tithes, but you bring the example of cars that was not mentioned. I was asking you to show me if some desciples pay tithes and who received tithes, because I believed that If tithe is really important they must observed that and it must recorded because it is part of a doctrine and teaching. You brought your logic that if it is not important why cars is not mentioned in the bible but it is important today. We are talking about tithes here, cars is nothing to do with the tithes and doctrine, if you think it is part of your doctrine it is up to you. I realize that you are interested in the things that not recorded at least in the new testament, than the recorded one. there is no recorded that Christ receiving tithes in the new testament, paul himself did not taught it, but you still come up with the conlcusion that they maybe received tithes. If tithes really is the important for Christian why paul taught love offering instead of tithing? it is not my opinion that tithes is not in the Christian, because it is not observed by the apostle I will not observed it also we just follow them, and I will not try to teach the teaching that they did not observe and taught. It is you CONCLUSIONS that they maybe observed YOU ARE NOT SURE IF THEY REALLY DO. Me i am sure that they did not observe it, otherwise they recorded it. Bible is not written for you conclsuions, it was written to make us believe in it not to have conclusions on it. Scriptures will not fail if regarding important teaching (not cars) Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. Receiving and observing tithes did not observe by the apostle it is you try to correct them by giving your conclusion that they maybe do it or practice it. It is up to you if your after to those it is not recorded that the recorded ones. Love offering is recored in the new testamnert, it was taught by the apostle. Tithes is not it is up to you if you are not believed in them and come up with your own conclusions. It is not me hard to understand, it is you you find things that is not recorded in the teaching of Christian, it is not recorded that they receive or give tithes, it is you correcting the scriptures that they maybe did. Who are you trying to change the letter of the authorize, who are you that trying to questions the authority of the bible by putting your own conclusion, who are you to make us believed that they is maybe some desciple that observed the tithing even it is not recored? Do you think we are going to believed your conclusions intead of the scriptures? The new testament did not recorded the event of receiving/giving tithes of the apostle, dont change that with your own conclusion it is a very strong attack to the author of the Bible. God bless, Johnny |
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7 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 66275 | ||
Johnny You make no sense, you talk like someone trying to prove something that makes no sense. This is getting no where. I'm dropping it. May God bless you EdB EdB |
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8 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66276 | ||
I think the one that is none sense those wo are trying to add thier conclusions to what is really recorded in the bible. If questioning the authority of the bible make sense to you it is your descision. But I am really sure, that your conclusions cannot change what has been recorded. It is you trying to quote my post to someone anyway, it is not me started the trhead. May God bless you too. Johnny |
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