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1 | Who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? | John 21:20 | Radioman2 | 81987 | ||
jswife: NASB John 21:20 Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays You?" Basically, there are three steps involved in Bible study. We must ask: 1) What does the passage SAY? 2) What does it MEAN? 3) How can I apply this in my life? We know what the Bible means by what it says. We need to be careful that we don't get carried away when we start spiritualizing the narrative portions of the Bible. In the immediate context of John 21:20, "the disciple whom Jesus loved" means John and only John. If it referred to "all Christians", then the verse would mean that: All Christians leaned back on His bosom at the supper. Of course, no such thing happened. As far as we can determine from the biblical account, there were no more than 13 people present at the last supper. All Christians of all ages were not even there. My point? When the plain sense makes good sense, seek no other sense lest it be nonsense. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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2 | Who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? | John 21:20 | EdB | 81988 | ||
Radioman2 Are you saying Jesus only loved John and not the other disciples. Are you saying Jesus only loved John enough to go to the cross or did he do it out of love for all of us. Note the expression the one who Jesus loved is not exclusive, it does not mean him and him only. If I called myself the one that Jesus loved would I be wrong no? He does loved me my Bible tells me so. Does he also love you? Yes Jesus loves all the little children. :-) Forget not the Bible songs of your youth! EdB |
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3 | Who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? | John 21:20 | Radioman2 | 81998 | ||
EdB: WITHIN THE CONTEXT, the expression "the one who Jesus loved" IS exclusive. It DOES mean John and John only. IN THE CONTEXT. What I mean and what the verse means is: "Peter, turning around, saw [John] following them; [John] who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays You?" "Avoid spiritualizing or allegorizing the Bible. This is that which gives to the Bible some kind of mystical meaning. In other words, what is on the surface is not the meaning, but what is hidden becomes the meaning. This is very popular. Allegorizing means to say that the historical meaning is not the real meaning, and in fact may be nothing but a fabrication. The historical meaning is not the real meaning, the real meaning is the spiritual meaning hidden beneath the surface. "And once you say that something in the Bible is an allegory, that is, it is only a symbol of the reality, you have just made it impossible to know what that reality is because if that reality cannot be discerned through the normal understanding of language, how can it be discerned?" (from the radio message: "How to Study Your Bible: Interpretation" by John MacArthur on Grace to You broadcast) Neither I nor the verse mean that Jesus only loved John and not the other disciples. Neither I nor the verse mean that Jesus only loved John enough to go to the cross. Neither I nor the verse mean that Jesus did not go to the cross out of love for all of us. Neither I nor the verse mean that Jesus does not love you. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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4 | Who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? | John 21:20 | EdB | 82059 | ||
Radioman2 Your right in the mention of the “the disciple who Jesus loved” in this verse is talking about John. What I meant by exclusivity was this, John didn’t use this expression to establish himself as the only disciple Jesus loved. Many take what I consider to be John's humble refusal to use his own name, rather describing himself as the one who Jesus loved, as a statement or proclamation that Jesus only loved John. John’s verbiage simply does not establish or make that point. In fact in John 13:23 similar verbiage reads about John “one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.” NASB which to me shows John is one of disciple all of which Jesus loved. Concerning MacArthur's statements about allegory I certainly agree but I fail to see how or what that had to do with this verse, since there is certainly no allegory present here. I hope I didn't somehow imply there was. EdB |
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5 | Who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? | John 21:20 | Radioman2 | 82100 | ||
EdB: You write: "What I meant by exclusivity was this, John didn’t use this expression to establish himself as the only disciple Jesus loved." I agree with you 100 percent. Having read your post, now I understand what you meant and I must agree with you. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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