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1 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | retxar | 16041 | ||
Hi Ray, No problem with the misunderstanding. I just wanted to be clear that I believed the disciples first received the Holy Spirit at John 20:22, and Pentecost was “when the Holy Spirit came upon them” as Jesus described in Acts 1:8. 1) My understanding of John 7:38b in regard to the Spirit. John 7 is about Jesus during the Feast of Tabernacles where each year the Jews would dwell in tents in remembrance of how God took care of them after be delivered them from Egyptian bondage. Part of the festival involved thankfulness to God of how He miraculously provided them with water in the wilderness. John 7:37-38 is an invitation Jesus gives for those who thirst to let them come to Him and drink. Isa 12:3 says “Therefore with joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation.” This means to me, as does John 7:38, that salvation is not only a blessing, but also enables us to be a blessing. This is only possible with the Holy Spirit living in us. If the Holy Spirit lives in us then the love of the Holy Spirit will also flow out of us. 2) My view of the word "now" in John 17:5. I believe Jesus was looking at the cross in John 17:5 when He said “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” Jesus had stepped down from His position of glory to a position of submission. With the cross that glory would be restored. The “now” here did not mean “right now” but that the time was at hand; the hour had come, as Jesus put it in verse 1. Look at what Jesus said in John 13:31-32. "NOW the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately.” This was after Judas had gone out to betray Him. We know “now” in John 13:31 here could not mean “right now” because Jesus says “now” again in John 17:5, which occurred later. Notice in verse 32 Jesus said “will glorify”, something to happen in the future, not “right now”. Verse 32 even says “immediately”. This is a stronger word than “now”, but John 17:5 proves “immediately” here does not mean “right now” either. Immediately here has to mean Jesus would be glorified at the cross and He would not have to wait for His ascension to be glorified. 3) My understanding of John 14:18,19 and verse 28. This is Jesus’s promise of the Holy Spirit to indwell in all believers. Jesus was God among us, the Holy Spirit is God in us. God Bless You, Bro retxar |
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2 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | Ray | 16080 | ||
Hi retxar, You say that John 7:38 means to you "that salvation is not only a blessing, but also enables us to be a blessing." To my mind then, you are saying "that out of your innermost being will flow rivers of living water." So the rivers of water are the blessings that we are able to give. The only problem with that is that John 7:39 says, "But this He spoke of the Spirit..." You also say in further explanation, however, that "This is only possible with the Holy Spirit living in us. If the Holy Spirit lives in us then the love of the Holy Spirit will also flow out of us." So here to my mind you are saying, "Out of my (our) innermost being(s) because of the Holy Spirit within me (us), love flows. (The love of the Holy Spirit)" So the rivers of Living Water are the love of the Holy Spirit and they come out of the innermost being of either me (us) or the Holy Spirit." What then is capitalized if you see the Holy Spirit in that Scripture quote, "From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water." For verse 39 says, "But this He spoke of the Spirit..." What does a Bible student do when he is stuck? He looks to other Scriptures to shed more light. One reference is to Isa 44:3. If you are interested we can look at it together for it would be good to know who is doing what and who or what is given. 2) Right now I am not interested in John 17:5 :) 3) Jesus said in verse 28 that "I go away" and in John 14:18, "I will come to you", and in John 14:23, "...and We will come to him and make Our abode with him." Scripture also speaks of Christ in you the hope of glory. So who is this Holy Spirit within you; which Person? How many Helpers are there? Our God is one is He not? Yes. |
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3 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | retxar | 16149 | ||
Hi Ray, John 7:38-39 is pretty clear to me. Jesus's Words are quoted in verse 38 and John gives his Holy Spirit inspired commentary in verse 39. The Holy Spirit within Christians is the person of God the Holy Spirit. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever; (another here means "another" but not another in the sense of being different, but another in the sense of being the same kind) John 14:17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will BE IN YOU. thanks! retxar |
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4 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | Ray | 16153 | ||
Hi retxar, John 14:17 tells me "but you know Him". In fact He's standing next to you talking to you. I'll get back to you soon, but I'd like you to consider the Isaiah passage and any other passage that is referenced in a Study Bible. |
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