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1 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | Ray | 15992 | ||
Hi retxar. John 7:38b, 39, "...as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.' But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive;..." He spoke of the Spirit in that Scripture quote. Where do you see it? John 17:1 says, "The hour has come." Verse 5 says, "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself..." I think that now means now. The Spirit would be free to be given when He went to the Father and the Father sent Him. I don't believe that the Spirit was given before Pentecost, either, but I don't think your understanding of the Scripture verses quoted is complete. |
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2 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | retxar | 16010 | ||
Hi Ray, I don't think you understand my post. Go back and read again. You believe that the Spirit was not given before Pentecost. You added the word "either" as if that was my posistion also.If you go back and read and understand what I was saying, according to the Word, you will know that is not what I was saying. God Bless, bro! retxar |
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3 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | Ray | 16018 | ||
Hi retxar, I added the word "either" in reference to Bill Mc's position. I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth. 1) Would you like to give your understanding of John 7:38b in regard to the Spirit? 2) What is your view of the word "now" in John 17:5? 3) What is your understanding of John 14:18,19 and verse 28 where they speak about "I go away", and "I will come to you". Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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4 | When did disciples receive the Spirit? | John 20:22 | retxar | 16040 | ||
Hi Ray, No problem with the misunderstanding. I just wanted to be clear that I believed the disciples first received the Holy Spirit at John 20:22, and Pentecost was “when the Holy Spirit came upon them” as Jesus described in Acts 1:8. 1) My understanding of John 7:38b in regard to the Spirit. John 7 is about Jesus during the Feast of Tabernacles where each year the Jews would dwell in tents in remembrance of how God took care of them after be delivered them from Egyptian bondage. Part of the festival involved thankfulness to God of how He miraculously provided them with water in the wilderness. John 7:37-38 is an invitation Jesus gives for those who thirst to let them come to Him and drink. Isa 12:3 says “Therefore with joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation.” This means to me, as does John 7:38, that salvation is not only a blessing, but also enables us to be a blessing. This is only possible with the Holy Spirit living in us. If the Holy Spirit lives in us then the love of the Holy Spirit will also flow out of us. 2) My view of the word "now" in John 17:5. I believe Jesus was looking at the cross in John 17:5 when He said “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” Jesus had stepped down from His position of glory to a position of submission. With the cross that glory would be restored. The “now” here did not mean “right now” but that the time was at hand; the hour had come, as Jesus put it in verse 1. Look at what Jesus said in John 13:31-32. "NOW the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately.” This was after Judas had gone out to betray Him. We know “now” in John 13:31 here could not mean “right now” because Jesus says “now” again in John 17:5, which occurred later. Notice in verse 32 Jesus said “will glorify”, something to happen in the future, not “right now”. Verse 32 even says “immediately”. This is a stronger word than “now”, but John 17:5 proves “immediately” here does not mean “right now” either. Immediately here has to mean Jesus would be glorified at the cross and He would not have to wait for His ascension to be glorified. 3) My understanding of John 14:18,19 and verse 28. This is Jesus’s promise of the Holy Spirit to indwell in all believers. Jesus was God among us, the Holy Spirit is God in us. God Bless You, Bro retxar |
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