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1 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | nimrod2 | 59840 | ||
Apology accepted. I pray that you might understand that some people are devoted to the Lord but may not have the same ability to excercise monetary giving. Giving is important. Therefore, if they serve in another capacity, meaning, they have a giving heart and that they serve willingly and freely, they are no different than somebody who tithes 15 or 30 percent of their income. I for one don't believe God loves us any less if we don't write a check every Sunday. We absolutely should if we can. Getting back to the selling issue. This is another example. Betty may not have a lot of money but she can sew or bake. Linda may not have a lot of money but she loves kids and babysits while moms and dads go to praise and worship. Dan was bankrupt a year ago, but he loves Jesus and mows the Church grounds regularly. Bob is mechanic who lives in a trailer, he can't give much money-wise, but he can fix a car. I think diversity is the beauty of Christianity. Rich and poor. Remember, as the Lord said, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God! Are you a person who sees the glass half-empty or half-full? |
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2 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | EdB | 59852 | ||
nimrod2 Where did you get the opinion I did not understand that all people were not able to give equally? I understand that perfectly. In you second paragraph your talking about a bartering system where one person's talents are used to help another. To my knowledge this is how the church is to be ran. Where did I say otherwise? What we are talking about in this thread is a musician or speaker coming to the church and hawking his wares either from the pulpit or from a tape table. As a side bar to this we are talking about the church holding rummage sales and such to raise money. I feel this sends the wrong signals to the world. I feel a better solution would be for the individuals to hold the rummage sales or bake sales external from the church and bring the money in. Lastly I apologized on my choice of words not for the concept. I believe every body should give something when they receive something. If they are not able to do that then there is a problem and that needs to be resolved. If it is because they just don’t have enough money to give then I would have to say they are probably not the stewards of their money they should be. They need to change how they spend and how they live to change that pattern. I have dealt with many people that didn’t have two nickels to rub together, yet they had voice mail, caller id, call waiting and such things that just eats up money. They were forced to live almost as slaves to landowners that kept them chained with high initial fees and deposits. With proper stewardship I was able to show them they could live in a better place and pay far less money for it. If it is because their spouse is not a believer and will not allow them to give then they need to be doing two things praying that God will change the heart of their spouse and giving of the their time as an offering. Nimrod I thank you for your concern about me but you seem to jump to many conclusions about me of which you have no concept. If you have something to add to this discussion either pro or con then by all means let us hear it. But please stop putting words in my mouth. EdB |
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3 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | nimrod2 | 59875 | ||
EdB "you seem to jump to many conclusions about me of which you have no concept" Other than the fact you dislike any type of selling within or near the church structure, I have not come to any conclusions about you Ed. Frankly, I respect your opinion to a certain degree and I definitely agree with you on the photographers issue, who I think try to exploit a vulnerable situation. Had I not been in church when they made their pitch to me I would've given them a good tongue-lashing for their price gouging. "please stop putting words in my mouth" Could you elaborate on that, I don't know what you mean? Are you referring to the "freeloader" comment you made a few posts back? I'm really not following you here. My only point is this. People like to go to my church. It isn't a Sam's CLub or a Costco. We have a few fundraisers now and then. The youth group may do a car wash once a summer. Certain other small groups do their thingy, whether it be a bake sale or something else. When someone or some group shares their God gifted talent on our stage, we make sure the glory goes to the Lord. We don't market them, I guess in a sense we market the great commission. Even though we may have tapes or CDs, books or cookies, most people still come here for one purpose only. To speak and listen to the Manager. The Manager of All Creation. |
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4 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | EdB | 59889 | ||
nimrod2 I quote, “I pray that you might understand that some people are devoted to the Lord but may not have the same ability to excercise monetary giving. “ Does that or does that not suggest I have a problem understanding people’s ability to give? Then you asked “Could you elaborate on that, I don't know what you mean? Are you referring to the "freeloader" comment you made a few posts back? I'm really not following you here” Yes it does refer back to the freeloader incident, I said one thing and you understood it to mean something else, that and the example above and finally your statement, “you seem to jump to many conclusions about me of which you have no concept" when in fact I did not jump to any conclusions about in any way. These three things constitute what I consider putting words in my mouth. If that is not your intent then I am sorry but that is sure how it seems from this end of your responses. I understand you viewpoint, all I’m saying is it has no scriptural basis and if anything is exactly what Jesus was condemning. Now if you have some scriptural proof that supports your position I would like to hear it. If not then I guess all your supplying is a way that seems right to man. EdB |
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5 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | nimrod2 | 59903 | ||
Well Ed, you're so busy with terse replies you didn't even realize the opening sentence I replied to you with were your own words. Look in your message titled "NimRod2 Where did you get the opinion I...." and look at the last paragraph. Quote, "Nimrod I thank you for your concern about me but you seem to jump to many conclusions about me of which you have no concept. If you have something to add to this discussion either pro or con then by all means let us hear it. But please stop putting words in my mouth." That doesn't seem to be the problem here, the problem is you want to make your words my words. before you get angry, I have something to add Ed. LIGHTEN UP! Jesus was referring to the den thieves in Luke. Not Christians who love God so much they'll make up for the 80 percent who don't tithe by holding a bake sale or a carwash. But in any case, agree or disagree, this was an interesting dialogue. I do respect your opinion and I am sure your heart is for the Lord. Blessings and big honking humorous laughs to you. |
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6 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | EdB | 59913 | ||
Nimrod2 Help me understand, if YOU repeated what I said and used what I said in the context of saying them to me. How am I making my words your words. MY next question is what was the point of repeating my words? I made an statement that Jesus by driving out both the sellers, which many claim to be corrupt, and the buyers gave us the example He did not want His Father house to be a house of merchandise but rather of house of prayer. You state it is okay to sell in church. I’m asking where is the scripture to support that claim? Lighten up! What is that? Am I the heavy here? Don’t tell me your concerned for me. Don’t pray that God helps me understand people. Don’t repeat my words in some attempt to do something. Just tell me the scriptural basis for you statement. If this reply seems terse I'm sorry! You said my understanding of this was wrong and I'm just trying to find out what scripture you are basing that comment on. EdB |
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7 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | nimrod2 | 59919 | ||
Dear Ed You seem to have some issues. None of them are really worthy of my time and effort because I don't foresee you as someone with a compassionate heart(especially based on the "freeloader" comment) but rather someone who likes to argue. Which is a shame because we probably have more issues we agree upon than disagree. Quote (of yours not mine) : You said my understanding of this was wrong and I'm just trying to find out what scripture you are basing that comment on. Where did I say that Ed? That we have a difference of opinion, I did likely imply that. I never once said you were wrong. In fact early on I said that I do not think "merchandising" the church is okay. I never condoned selling on Sunday. I never condoned profiteering. I have never condoned retail thievery. I do not condone the desecration of a house of worship. You demand scripture, for what? For your personal satisfaction? For your personal condemnation of another? You have surely read the scripture for yourself. John 2:13-22, Luke 19:45-46 Jesus cleansed the temple twice, once at the beginning of his ministry and once towards the end. Jesus protested the turning of his Father's house into a market. He did not protest the sacrificial system itself. His protests were against abuses. The abuses were many. The religious leaders made money off the sale of animals for sacrifices, people were also taking shortcuts through the temple and the money changers were also basically just profiteers. A den of thieves. Abuses have existed and do exist, one could learn a lesson from the examples of many televangelists and preachers (Jim Bakker comes to mind). If you care to go back through any of my replies to you on this entire thread and point out where I said it was okay to be a profiteer or condoned the commercialization of Jesus Christ, just point it out. Otherwise, the only abuse going on is your attitude towards me. I have nothing further to add of any constructive use. Do you? |
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8 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | EdB | 59935 | ||
Nimrod2 Again you make me out as having a problem. Quote "You seem to have some issues." "I don't foresee you as someone with a compassionate heart(especially based on the "freeloader" comment) but rather someone who likes to argue." "Otherwise, the only abuse going on is your attitude towards me." Have I once attacked you? Have I once said you have issues, lacked compassion, or wanted to argue? Have I ever accused you of any form of abuse? Why do you do it to me? You repeated back my words to me for some purpose and then said ah-ha your making your words my words. You seemed to get great satisfaction from that and I still don't know what that was all about. Have I done anything like that to you? The you tell me to lighten up. which to me implies I'm being a heavy. Did I ever imply anything like that about you? Then you use the tone and I quote, "You demand scripture, for what? For your personal satisfaction? For your personal condemnation of another?" Nimrod2 let me tell you for what, I wanted to know how you had reached the opinion you had. Was it in fact based on scripture or some thing else. That is how we learn. This is a Bible study forum to learn and understand scripture, you seemed to hold a position I could not see and I was trying to learn how you reached the position. I wasn’t looking for personal satisfaction I was looking to learn why you felt as you do. I have never once condemned you, I have asked you withhold making derogatory or demeaning statements about me that are without basis. By the way I did apologize to all about the unfortunate choice of words in the use of the term freeloader, in fact you very pointedly came back and said apology accepted. Now your throwing it up to me and using it as proof I’m not compassionate. I’m still not sure what all this is about. I evidently said something that has angered/upset you. You then set out to villainize me in a way that made you look like you are the victim. I find this interesting and fascinating. EdB |
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9 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | nimrod2 | 59941 | ||
Sorry Ed, we will have to agree to disagree on the issue of selling in the church. Whether my position on that issue is right or wrong, it was egregious for me to take it this far on a personal level. It was my fault, I realize it and I apologize to you for that. |
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10 | is selling in a church building fine? | John 2:13 | EdB | 59960 | ||
Nimrod2 Apology accepted. Be blessed and be a blessing EdB |
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