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1 | Is this heaven or the family? | John 14:2 | Hank | 61825 | ||
My dear Aspilos, in all candor it has never been my aim to lace my replies with intrigue, intriguing though that might be! As I attempted to make clear before, I responded in the manner I did because my mind militates against wading into deep waters in an attempt to render a substantive answer to a speculative question. I know no more of heaven than you or any other human being knows who has read what the Bible says about it. One who has read Dante knows nothing substantive of heaven or hell; he knows only what Dante's fertile mind imagined them to be like. But this is not a course in Dante 101. It is a study Bible forum and hence I decline to venture into realms where Scripture does not go. In no sense am I chastening you, friend; I'm merely saying my piece on where I stand on surmise, conjecture and speculation. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is this heaven or the family? | John 14:2 | Aspilos | 61835 | ||
Greetings Hank! Thanks at least for your honesty. I have to tell you though, whether it be your intention or not, your replies generally are quite intriguing. I think it's the way you artistically combine wit with wisdom, but I'm not here to flatter you. :-) On an ending note: It doesn't seem that the Lord is talking about heaven here, but rather about you and I being the habitation of God. I don't believe this requires any speculation. Bendiciones! Aspilos |
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3 | Is this heaven or the family? | John 14:2 | Morant61 | 61875 | ||
Greetings Aspilos! Do you mind if I jump in on this discussion? I would cast my vote with John 14:2 being a reference to Heaven. Here's why: 1) "I am going" in v. 20 indicates a physical journey. 2) V. 3 says that He will come back and take us with Him that we might be "WHERE" He is. "Where" is the paricle 'hupou', which has the basic meaning of a physical location. 3) V. 4 again speaks of a physical location by saying, 'You know the way to the place where I am going...'. I do agree with you that later in the chapter, Jesus speaks of indwelling believers. However, in those verses the phrases are always 'in me', ect.... They do not use particles which indicate physical locatations as John does in Jn. 14:1-4. Just my two cents my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is this heaven or the family? | John 14:2 | Aspilos | 61902 | ||
Tim, thanks for the reply and your comments are always welcome as far as I'm concerned. Sorry for not getting back sooner, but my schedule doesn't always allow me time to repond so promptly. The more wisdom I read from the members of this forum can only help to further my understanding. But, if I may, I would also like to reply to your statements. 1) "I am going" in v. 20 indicates a physical journey. True, because that physical journey was to the cross. 2) "Where" is the paricle 'hupou', which has the basic meaning of a physical location. Again true, since that location is in our hearts. "I am" 'eimi' is present indicative, so the Lord is saying to His disciples, “where I am” not where I will be, “there you may be also.” It is obvious that He was there with them at that time, but he meant something more. 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? Again He says, "I am" 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 3) V. 4 again speaks of a physical location by saying, 'You know the way to the place where I am going...'. The way of course is Christ (although He is not a road in the physical sense), which further strengthens what I believe. He is the only way to becoming a son of God and a member of the Father's family. Bendiciones! Aspilos |
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