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1 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | John Reformed | 73279 | ||
Dear Searcher, Jesus plainly states that "...I WILL draw all men to myself". He also said (John 6:44) that all that are drawn will be raised up on the last day. In John 6 He ascribes the drawing to the Father and in John 12 He ascribes the drawing to Himself. But but this seeming contradiction is easily cleared up by the His fact that Jesus and the Father are one. Matthew Henry puts it this way: First, It is Christ that draws: I will draw. It is sometimes ascribed to the Father (ch. 6:44), but here to the Son, who is the arm of the Lord. When Jesus says "I will" whatever it is that He does will happens. If He had meant by "all" every single person, then every single person would be raised up on the last day. This brings us to the age old problem of people who never have had the opportunity of hearing the gospel. Paul is quite bold in saying that these gentiles (the vast majority of mankind upto recent times) are without hope. "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." (Eph 2:12) Your thoughts? John |
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2 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Searcher56 | 73296 | ||
John, we do not know how God draws ... even us who hear ... and does who do not. We each must choose. Searcher |
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3 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | John Reformed | 73329 | ||
Dear Searcher, It is not my intention to foment controversey, but like you (as your user name indicates) to search for and discover the truth. Feel free (and I extend this sentiment to all members) to ignore my post. As you realize their is a division between us regarding the question of who chooses whom. Did we choose Christ or did He choose us. I see this as a most important distinction! How one answers this question has a significant impact upon their view of how God relates to man. We all bring along certain presuppositions when we sit down to study the Bible. These presuppositions act as eye-glasses that we put on and they affect our understanding of what any particular verse or passage says. Presuppositions are composed of cultural as well as theological precepts. It is humanly impossible (IMHO) for one to completely set these preconcieved beliefs aside and to approch the Bible as "blank slates". However, God has not left us alone but has blessed us with the Holy Spirit to lead us and enlighten His truth to our hearts. At times it is as if He removes these glasses and adjusts them, and all of a sudden our understanding of a verse is turned upside down and we reach a totally new perspective on a doctrine that we thought was settled forever! John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. What is your presupposition on the above verse? Grace and Peace, John Reformed |
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