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1 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233416 | ||
What was unclear is what part of the custom you were referring to. I think EdB was focused on reading -- but he can answer for himself. I thought you were talking about standing up as a form of volunteering or maybe it was the respectful way to read scripture. Now it appears your point was the day of the week; which is strange because you are requesting discussion also on a scripture whose context indicates it is no longer is binding -- which you may want to take down and repost because the typo in the heading will be confusing. The Sabbath by most who practice it as part of the law is reckoned from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset as opposed to the Lord's day where the practice was originally to gather early Sunday probably before going to work. You could have been talking about going to a synagogue as opposed to a church which may have become impossible but I am sure you could find one you would be welcome at if you can keep from evangelizing. At least were not all expected to go to Nazereth. | ||||||
2 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233425 | ||
I can't find a scripture that says they met early on the Lord's Day so apparently I am misremembering. | ||||||
3 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233426 | ||
Doesn't say Lord's day in scripture but we have evidence in scripture that the first day of the week, Sunday was when they met. Acts 20:7 (NASB) 7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NASB) 2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come. Also we see in the writings of the church Fathers that they did indeed meet on Sunday which they considered the Lord's day. In fact some Jews that clung to the old would meet on the Sabbath day with fellow Jews and then with Christians on Sunday. Both Paul and the writer of Hebrews wrote against the practice of holding onto Jewish traditions. Interestingly the Lord's day became synonymous with the day of the Second coming of the Lord. 1Cor 1:8; 1Th5:2; 2Pet 3:10 |
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4 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233427 | ||
I always took the encouragement in 1 Tim 4:13 to attend the public reading of scripture meant he wanted people to go to the synagogue to listen because who else would have scrolls. I think 2 Pet 3:15-16 is the only place calling New Testament writings scripture. Paul says he didn't circumcise Titus in Gal 2:3 but Acts 16:1-3 he does circumcise Timothy. Paul fulfills a vow himself in Acts 18:18 and then takes 4 men to fulfill a vow with a sacrifice at the temple in Acts 21:21-26 to show people that he isn't encouraging them not to circumcise or follow their customs. It also makes it sound like maybe there was a push of Noahide law only on the Gentiles in the guidelines James (Acts 15:19-21). | ||||||
5 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233432 | ||
Remember this all scripture is inspired by God. God knew would have scriptures or Bibles to read in church. Therefore in 1 Tim 4:13 He didn't say synagogue as you state but rather said attend the reading of scripture. Yes Paul did many things to appease the Jews in his effort to bring them to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. A lesson many Christians need to learn today you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. But Paul's message always was that through Jesus we are freed from the consequences of the law and thus of the law itself. |
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6 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233436 | ||
I get the appeasing part except for Acts 18:18 where Paul took a personal vow. What could possibly caused him to do that? | ||||||
7 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233437 | ||
We fast today and that dos not make us Jews. Paul took a vow "to show God his gratitude for helping him through a difficult time in Corinth, he took a Nazirite vow—a special pledge of separation and devotion to God (cf. Num. 6:2–5, 13–21). The vow generally lasted a specific period of time, although Samson (Judg. 13:5), Samuel (1 Sam. 1:11), and John the Baptist (Luke 1:15) were Nazirites for life. In Paul’s day, if someone made the vow while away from Jerusalem, at the termination of his vow he would shave his head, as Paul did, and afterwards present the shorn hair at the temple within 30 days." The MacArthur Study Bible, ed. John MacArthur, Jr., electronic ed. (Nashville, TN: Word Pub., 1997), Ac 18:18. |
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8 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233438 | ||
So in Acts 21:26 Paul and the 4 men presented 3 animals each to be sacrificed one being a ewe-lamb as a sin offering as specified in Num 6:14. | ||||||
9 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233444 | ||
There is an excellent discussion on this on the web but it is copy written and I can’t copy and paste it here, but go to this link. http://online.recoveryversion.org/FootNotes.asp?FNtsID"eq"3494 In this link replace the "eq" with an actual equal sign which can't be posted within this forum. In essence we see Paul being asked to be tolerant and Paul in the name of tolerance allows compromise into his life. Paul being confronted with the perceived danger of losing his Jewish audience and naturally wanted keep them. It was suggested by others to appease them he should align himself with 4 other men and go to the temple. A solution that would compromise the New Testament stand on the law something God would not tolerate. Keep in mind Paul was directed by others not by God and thus Paul found himself in a situation from which there appeared to be no retreat. However God who is God then and now saved Paul from the mess in a way that would teach Paul that God not himself was in charge. Before the actual sacrifice was offered at the end of the 7 days of purification God raised an angry crowd against Paul. This crowd actually dragged Paul from the untenable position that Paul allowed himself to be placed. Interestingly as cited in the above mentioned article we hear very little about the church of Jerusalem after this. Many believe it is because of the compromise they allowed into their ranks from incidents like this with Paul and others. Approx 10 years later God ended the compromise when the Temple was totally destroyed. We see in this account that even chosen and righteous men like Paul can get themselves into positions they actually stand against when they allow themselves to be lead by the world instead of God. |
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10 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233448 | ||
Thanks for the reference. Paul appears to have intended to make the animal sacrifices from the moment he took the vow because he kept the hair cut in another country (Acts 18:18) that he would need in the temple and in Acts 24:17 he indicates presenting offerings (the animal sacrifices specified in Num 6:14 an other things in 6:15) was one of the reasons for making the trip. | ||||||
11 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233451 | ||
The alms and offerings mentioned in act 24:17 are the offerings that Paul collected to help the church in Jerusalem spoken about 1 Cor 16:1-4 and Romans 15:25 Actually cutting of the hair in other than the outer court of the temple was a violation of the Nazirite vow. In the Nazirite vow the person making the vow does not cut his hair. Upon completion of the vow, the vow maker is to purify himself and offer sacrifices. One of the sacrifices was to cut their hair in the outer court of the temple and then offer that hair as a burnt peace offering. Paul made a vow and apparently shaved his head. This was not a true Nazirite vow. Then upon his arrivial the Judaizers accused him of violating the law of Moses and his friends advised him to join the 4 guys that WERE COMPLETING a true Nazirite vow. Bad advice! |
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12 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233455 | ||
Are there any sources referenced in MacArthur's quote? | ||||||
13 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233458 | ||
I'm guessing you mean in relation to the hair being cut as far as when, where and etc. Numbers 6:13-20 explains the process in fairly full detail. |
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14 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233469 | ||
I meant his extrabibilical sources to support the statement: "In Paul’s day, if someone made the vow while away from Jerusalem, at the termination of his vow he would shave his head, as Paul did, and afterwards present the shorn hair at the temple within 30 days." | ||||||
15 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | EdB | 233470 | ||
No I double checked and there is no notation to his source of information on this subject. The note is found in MacArthur's Study Bible for verse Acts 18:18. I did howevrer look in MacArthur's New Testament Commentary which read very similar. "In Paul's day, provision was made for those away from Jerusalem at the termination of their vow to shave their heads, as Paul did, then within thirty days present the hair at the Temple (cf. Josephus Wars, 2.15.1). The phrase he was keeping a vow indicates a process not yet completed. That required his arrival in Jerusalem." MacArthur New Testament Commentary, The - MacArthur New Testament Commentary – Acts 13-28. Here He references Josephus Wars 2.15.1 |
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16 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | elder4yhwh | 233473 | ||
Edb, Are you saying that MacArthur's Study Bible is more important than God's Word?? I know you know a commentary is that person's way of thinking (I don't mean to insult your intelligence) Let's go your route what does it say about Gen 2:1-4 and I will not list the rest of the scriptures becuase I assume you know them, but if you don't I'll post them for you. So do I understand you to say that the bible is wrong?? It plainly says Jesus' custom was to read on the Sabbath Day that's black and white; by the way did you double check the bible?? on that verse? |
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17 | Why don't we follow Luke 4:16 | Luke 4:16 | you | 233474 | ||
elder4yhwh - click on the message title and scroll down to the bottom to see the message thread. EdB was responding to me requesting information from the commentary. | ||||||