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1 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | EdB | 126693 | ||
Doc Once again you explanation lacks evidence. Most people with the exception of Americans if left in a country for longer than a few weeks begin to pick up the language. In most cases having been in an area for longer than a few months the person has mastered the art of conversational communication in that countries language. While Roman looked down their noses at many people groups one thing Roman did was respect Jews. In fact this explains why the Jews were not completely conquered until 70 AD. To Rome Israel was a dichotomy of everything they have ever ran into. Pilate knew upon his assignment in Israel that the Jews would never work with him if he was going to make any inroads it would be he the made all the compromises. At this point Caesar would not let his armies fully subjugate this people. EdB |
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2 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | DocTrinsograce | 126767 | ||
Gosh, Ed... I said it was an opinion! Hey, but, who ever told you that Romans respected Jews? They were made fun of in the baths and athletic activities (which were performed in the nude) because of their being circumcised. They were considered lazy for not working all seven days a week. They were considered atheists for not believing in the Greek pantheon. They were considered weird for only having one god -- and for having a god they didn't even know what he looked like. They were considered odd for refusing to eat more than half of the commonly available kind of foods. Read Josephus, Ed... Josephus spends a whole lot of time just trying to make the Romans see that Jews were at least up to par with Greeks. (See his "Antiquity of the Jews," discourse on "Hades," and autobiography. All are available online.) Rome's treatment of Israel was no different than its treatment of Egypt and other nations. They tried hard everywhere they went to keep the religions in tact and "mix them up" with the pantheon. (Look how hard they worked to make every god in Egypt correspond to a god in their (Greek) mythology.) The took what they wanted, occupied an area, and sold "fire insurance" (the kind where your house burns down if you don't pay the premium). As long as they got their taxes, they let things pretty much run their own course. If resistance increased, or there was rebellion, they turned up the heat. None of this new or weird stuff, Ed. Check your history. As Christians, we should be fully understanding Biblical eras. Understanding the context in which the people lived helps us interpret things. Disclaimer: Before someone jumps on me. I am NOT saying that the scriptures cannot be understood without understanding history. I believe very strongly in what theologians call "the perspicuity of scripture." But I think a lot of erroneous notions that Christians carry around could be mitigated if they only really read history. Secular writings should always be taken with a grain of salt, especially when interpreting a "world view." But, frankly, only hinder the message of the gospel by being ignorant about the world around us. Disclaimer 2: I wasn't being critical of any one person, denomination, or creed in Disclaimer 1. I found this failing in myself, before I ever noticed it in others. Sorry for pontificating again! |
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3 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | EdB | 126795 | ||
Doc Perhaps you don't appreciate the use of the word respect that I used. In many aspects the Romans did look down their noses as the Jews but they also viewed their stiff neckedness as something to be respected from a warrior stand point. The Jews weren't liked nor appreciated, but their stiffneckedness was respected. In every other nation when Rome conquered they found the people would eventually submit and more or less get with the program and yes I know about the northern tribes, but hear me out. The Jews even though easily beaten would not comply with Rome. When Rome brought in standards with images the Jews went into rebellion. When the Rome brought in statues again the Jews rebelled. Jews would refuse Roman money and eventually Temple coins were allowed by Rome. In other nations things like this were easily accepted and Rome viewed those people as vanquished. However the Jews were different and finally in 70 AD in more or less a rage Rome decided to wipe the Jews out. The ones they didn't crucify, they literally shipped all over the Empire. No other nation was so throughly devastated by Rome. Incidentally I have read and studied Josephus extensively and know his writings adequately. Your point is also noted you did say in your opinion. Sorry to have jumped on you. I'm just very sensitive to the trend to mold history to fit agenda. EdB |
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4 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | DocTrinsograce | 126807 | ||
You wrote, "No other nation was so throughly devastated by Rome." The Mithradites, Sabines, Achaens, Carthaginians, Corinthians, Armenians, Celts, Lusitanians, Cyreneans, Visigoths, and others might disagree. (Each of these people groups suffered under genocidal destruction of the Romans.) You're right, though, in the sense that the largest single slaughter of a people group by Romans occured in Palestine. (According to the historian Edward Gibbon, not counting the quelling of slave revolts, this amounted to about 10 percent of the total number of peoples killed by Rome.) Although they were not sympathetic to the Greeks themselves, and the Greeks frequently revolted, they did not massacre them to this extent. But then, these facts just lend credence to what I was saying about their ultimate disdain of the Jews. Hatred of Jews is nothing new in the world. Haman, Tiglathpileser, Titus, Hitler, and Hussein do not appear to have respected the Jews. Indeed, perhaps there is a meaning of the word "respect" with which I have not previously become acquainted. |
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5 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | Daboniel | 126813 | ||
About the persecution of the Jews, I was reading in Revelation the other day and read: Rev 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. I don't know about you, but I see the woman as Israel (Gen 37:9-10). And I think the devil hates Israel and breeds that hate in anyone he can. God Bless! dab |
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6 | Christ Sometimes Taught in Greek | Mark 12:30 | EdB | 126831 | ||
True. EdB |
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