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1 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | DocTrinsograce | 224526 | ||
Dear 00123, I rarely see the antinomianism you are describing. On the other hand, the legalism you advocate is rampant. 1. The failure to apply a truth, does not invalidate the truth. Truth is never measured by what people say or do. "The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience." 2. Jesus never urged "living out a holy life" as the means of salvation. Instead, He affirmed that "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me" (John 10:27). 3. Look at Matthew 7:21 in context. Notice that Christ says, "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." (Matthew 7:17-18) Fruit is a natural result of the nature of a tree. Fruit does does not make a tree what it is. (cf Luke 6:43-44) 4. We cannot show "too much emphasis on God's act on our salvation" (sic). Salvation is a work of God that has no equal (Isaiah 43:19). How can we overemphasize something that is declared on every page of Scripture? If we give it less emphasis than God Himself does, what does that make us? As scribes of the Kingdom, we want to render a good accounting of the truth He has given us (Ephesians 4:11-14). 5. Sound doctrine is based on all that the Scripture says about something. It is not measured by how people receive it? "The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved." 6. Finally, you assert that this emphasis is a "modern Protestant" thing. Have you not read the following? "If anyone says that not only the increase of faith but also its beginning and the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly and comes to the regeneration of holy baptism -- if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, it is proof that he is opposed to the teaching of the Apostles, for blessed Paul says, 'And I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ' (Philippians 1:6). And again, 'For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God' (Ephesians 2:8). For those who state that the faith by which we believe in God is natural make all who are separated from the Church of Christ by definition in some measure believers. "Concerning the succor of God. It is a mark of divine favor when we are of a right purpose and keep our feet from hypocrisy and unrighteousness; for as often as we do good, God is at work in us and with us, in order that we may do so. "Concerning the succor of God. The succor of God is to be ever sought by the regenerate and converted also, so that they may be able to come to a successful end or persevere in good works." --Council of Orange, canons 8 through 10 (529 AD) In Him, Doc |
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2 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | 00123 | 224537 | ||
Dear Doc, What I am saying is not the salvation is achived by our works. If you thought so, my poor communication is to blame. What I am saying is that the mordern Protestant church rests with its salvation-by-faith doctrine. But the faith will be valid only when it bears the fruit of Spirit. Unfortunately, my obervation is the church is busy in brainwashing people with the doctrine, but not encouraging and checking people if their faith is true. Read the Gospels; Jesus' doctrine is complex, but his teaching is heavy on real stuff, not mere confession of faith not supported by their life. Doc, read your own writing to me. Compare it what Jesus says. Your writing is more intelligent than Jesus' but less inspirational than Jesus'. In Love and Truth, 00123 |
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3 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | BradK | 224538 | ||
Hello 123, In order to better understand you, could you clarify these statements: You say, "that the (sic) mordern Protestant church rests with its salvation-by-faith doctrine. But the faith will be valid only when it bears the fruit of Spirit." Are you saying this is in error or somehow incompatible with what scripture teaches? You say your, "obervation is the church is busy in brainwashing people with the doctrine, but not encouraging and checking people if their faith is true." OK, then how so? Can you provide some specific examples of this? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | 00123 | 224540 | ||
Matthew 7:26. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. John 12:47. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. Romans 2:13. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. James 1:22. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Dear BradK, I, as a conservative Presbyterian, am not challenging at all the doctrine of salvation that other brothers summarized well. My point is that the Scripture emphasizes on "keeping" God's Word (that is, living out every aspect of our life by God's Word) rather than "hearing" it. But the Protestant Church (but I am not saying non-Protestant churches are different) seemingly has no worry about, or does nothing about, whether those who attend it "keep" God's Word in their daily life. It is like teaching soldiers how to shoot the rifle but not checking if they can actually shoot well. In Love and Truth, 00123 |
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5 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | ariel levin | 224541 | ||
Good evening 00123, May I ask exactly WHAT commands you are referring to? Give us some specifics please. Being Torah-observant, I don't usually get involved in these types of discussions but your complaint seems to be way too open-ended. You haven't named even one specific command that you think is not being kept. Help us out here and give some examples? Thank you |
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6 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | 00123 | 224544 | ||
Good morning Ariel, okay, here are some of endless examples. Blessed are the poor in spirit (Are we poor in spirit?) Blessed are those who mourn (Do we morun for our sins and others' pains?) Blessed are the meek (Are we gentle?) Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness (Are we do so?) Blessed are the merciful (Are we merciful?) Blessed are the pure in heart (Are we pure in heart?) Blessed are the peacemakers (Do we make peace?) Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake (Or do we avoit it?) If the church is a corporation, it has only planning but doesn't implement or monitor it to correct itself). Look at the people who come to the church. Most of them are abandoned by the church (of course they also have their own responsibilies) because the church gives a sermon but doesn't know or doesn't care what their real life is (how they reflect the faith on their daily life). Have you ever asked each person about what agony s/he has, what spritural help s/he needs, or what sins keeps him/her from living a holy life? Have you ever checked if s/he grows in faith and holiness? In Love and Truth, |
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7 | The true Gospel Jesus proclaimed | Matt 4:23 | azurelaw | 224547 | ||
Dear 00123 Had Jesus not reminded us about the tares already (Mat 13:24-30)? The point is not whether people agree with you (as per your post 224502) or not, but as believers, what should we do at our church among our fellow members/brethrens. We do not know one's heart, not even our own which is deceitful, too. (Jer 17:9) Please leave the judgment to our Lord. Our responsibility is to discern, admonish, PRAY and LOVE. (1 Cor 13) instead of holding a "holier than thou" attitude. Shalom Azure |
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