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1 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | Reighnskye | 130497 | ||
Is it possible for the sons of men to ascend high into the heavens and associate with the higher archons? | ||||||
2 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | ROGER459 | 130669 | ||
(2Corinthians 12:2-4) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. (2Cor 12:3) And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) (2Cor 12:4) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Thank you! |
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3 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | Reighnskye | 130683 | ||
May we then infer from these verses that a mortal may ascend high into the heavens? And what types of archons might one encounter upon arrival there or along the way? Must be an interesting trip. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. (2 Corinthians 12:2-4 NAS95) |
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4 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | ROGER459 | 130787 | ||
You may infer what you like, but the Scripture is not clear on this subject! If Paul was not premitted to speak about it, then the door is closed. WHY would someone want more revelation than the Completed Word of God, the Bible? God has nothing more to say than is in His Word! Thats why the book ends with: (Revelation 22:20-21) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Rev 22:21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Thank you! |
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5 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | Reighnskye | 130851 | ||
Roger, I'm greatly attempting to better understand your position here. You seem to reference that you believe that the Word of God is complete, yet you also mention that there are certain subjects that scripture is not clear about. I guess that my understanding of what constitutes "complete" would be that the bible would contain the totality of all divine truth that may be potentially known in all the universe. Yet, I don't believe that this is the case with the written Word of God. The only "completeness" that I directly notice with the written scriptures is the completeness of the gospel message of eternal salvation. Namely, the bible is complete insofar as it contains the full message of the word and work of God's love and power unto eternal salvation, as authored and effected through Christ. However, in reference to most any other doctrine, I find the bible to be rather lacking. Perhaps I'll turn to commentaries to discover other matters beyond the gospel of salvation. - Now as to what information that the bible may lack, I do not necessarily believe that the door is closed. What is for Paul? Nor do I believe that Paul was restricted from uttering his extra-biblical revelations via some form of mandate. Rather, no words in mortal tongue could adequately express the grand revelations that he had experienced, without otherwise utilizing sorely diluted parables. Further, extra-biblical revelations (namely, those revelations beyond the message of the gospel of salvation) are indeed restricted from being added to the bible texts in any way. The written texts should never ever be tampered with, as per the curses promised in the book of Revelation. However, true extra-biblical revelations need never augment the canonized texts in any way. Many were likely even taught verbally in ancient bible times, whilst others were written without the tampering of bible texts. ---- Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. (2 Corinthians 12:1-4 NAS95) I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19 NAS95) RS |
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6 | Can mortals ascend into the heavens? | Obad 1:4 | ROGER459 | 130941 | ||
(Deut 29:29) The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the Words of this Law. HOW COULD YOU SAY: I guess that my understanding of what constitutes "complete" would be that the bible would contain the totality of all divine truth that may be potentially known in all the universe. Yet, I don't believe that this is the case with the written Word of God." DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS? (John 21:25) And there are also many other things which Jesus. did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. GOD NEVER INTENDED FOR MAN TO KNOW EVERYTHING FROM HIS WORD! HE GAVE US ENOUGH REVELATION TO BELIEVE HIS WORD, FOR SALVATION AND HOW TO LIVE! One of the FIRST AND Finest Tricks form Satan, is exactly what he did with Eve. God forbad Adam and Eve from eating of the 'Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!' Satan deceived Eve, when he said, "Hath God really said...Genesis 3:1" Satan is using the same tricks today! He tells many, 'don't you know, that the Bible doesn't have all you need to know? Don't you know that God is keeping hidden things from you, and that you need to 'GO TO OUTSIDE SOURCES?' Don't you know that God does not want you to Know all, for then you shall be as god [small-g]! THOSE ARE THE SAME TRICKS HE FOOLED THE PARENTS OF THE HUMAN RACE! HE IS DOING THE SAME TODAY! Solomon had all the Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge of any may born. WHAT DID HE DO WITH IT! (1Kings 11:4) For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE - WITHOUT A HEART FOR GOD WAS COMPLETELY USELESS! All you need to know is in the Bible, the Completed Word and Revelation from God to US! God tells us so, in (1Samuel 3:21) And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the Word of the LORD. THE KEY HERE, IS "BY THE WORD OF THE LORD!" Not by the Word of the Lord "AND PLUS THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER!" Only by the Word of the Lord! Perhaps the easist way to tell you about how EXTENSIVE THE WORD IS, IS REVEALED IN THESE VERSES: (Psalsm 119:97-106) MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.(Psa 119:98) Thou through Thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. (Psa 119:99) I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation.(Psa 119:100) I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts. (Psa 119:101) I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep Thy Word.(Psa 119:102) I have not departed from Thy judgments: for thou hast taught me. (Psa 119:103) How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!(Psa 119:104) Through Thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.(Psa 119:105) NUN. Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.(Psa 119:106) I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep Thy righteous judgments. THE WORD OF GOD IS COMPLETE! THERE IS NOTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM SALVATION TO THE MAJESTY OF THE KING OF KINGS, THE LORD OF LORDS! Please tell me why someone would even suggest that we need 'more than the Bible for LIFE? (Luke 4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word of God. (Matthew 4:4) But He [Jesus] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. NOW SATAN WILL TELL US THAT WE NEED MORE THAN THE WORD OF GOD! Jesus said, "IT IS WRITTEN!" Please may I ask you, "Isn't that Enough?" Thank you! |
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