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1 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | JCrichton | 140064 | ||
Hi, Mom! I understand where you son is... I had an acquaintance who was so preocupied with the people that died in the Old Testament and the people who would be cast into damnation that he was beginning to resent God... I walked him through the Old Testament and into Revelation pointing out to him that God's Salvific Plan has taken all into consideration... it is His patience and mercy that we miss to comprehend when the Old Testament speak about mass killing in holy wars... reread the Old Testament with you son (as a Bible Study) and emphasize the various warnings against the rebelliousness of both Israel and the pagan people... you will find that God's wrath was unleashed after decades, if not hundreds, of years of counsel and warning and call to repentance! Yet, even those who died during the Old Covenant were visited by Christ, in the Spirit, for they were not cognizant of God's Promise (1 Peter 3:18-20, 4:6); remind your son that God chose Israel and rejected the Gentiles during the Old Covenant, so it was Israel who benefited from the knowledge of the Scripture... yet, to save both Israel and the Gentiles, even as far back as God's covenant with Abraham He promised Abraham that in him the Gentiles would find hope (Christ)... to better understand that relationship (Israel and the Gentiles) read Romans 9:1 through 11:32... add to this Hebrews 11 (the chapter on Faith) which speaks on the Promise being received by both the people under the Old Covenant and the people under the New Covenant so that all are partakers of God's Design--those who believe, of course! God Bless! Angel |
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2 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | srbaegon | 140069 | ||
Hello Angel, Two things here. First: "Yet, even those who died during the Old Covenant were visited by Christ, in the Spirit, for they were not cognizant of God's Promise (1 Peter 3:18-20, 4:6)" Look at the language of 1 Pet 3. He went and made proclamation to the spirits NOW in prison. That means they are still imprisoned. They are still damned. He did not share the gospel. OT believers were saved the same way we are--by faith. Gen 15:6 (ESV) And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness. Steve |
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3 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | JCrichton | 140106 | ||
Hi, Steve! So are you saying that Jesus went to free the spirit of the people that died after His own death not the ones that died during the ancient times (as per Scripture during Noah's time)? And, are you also saying that the Lord chose Israel and separated them from the pagan world but that He kept a secret covenant with the pagans so that they too were part of His promise? God Bless! Angel |
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4 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | srbaegon | 140130 | ||
Hello Angel, "No" to both questions. 1 Pet says that Christ went to make proclamation to the spirits now in prison. That means they were in prison when Peter penned his letter. This means they are still in prison and will not be released. They were not given an opportunity to believe. The opportunity to believe and obey had passed. There was no secret covenant. God had revealed Himself and was mostly rejected. He chose Abraham to be the one through whom the savior of man would come (though Abraham didn't understand all this at the time). However, the requirement for righteousness has always been faith (Heb 11). Steve |
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5 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | JCrichton | 140214 | ||
Hi, Steve! So Peter has a revelation that Christ is preaching to those spirit in prison (men and women) through the various disciples... and that those people in prison are caught up with erroneous beliefs that survived the flood when only Noah and his direct offsprings and their mates were saved? So who passed on these erroneous values, was not all life outside of the ark terminated? God Bless! Angel |
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6 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | srbaegon | 140215 | ||
Hello Angel, I just realized something while reading your post. You think that "prison" is a physical jail or dungeon. That's not the case. The spirits now in prison are angels who had left their proper place (Jude 6). It's not talking about people. Steve |
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7 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | JCrichton | 140387 | ||
Hi, Steve! I do not believe that Peter is speaking of a physical prison--my posts do not claim/infer that! When Peter speaks about the spirits he is speaking about those who died under the Old Covenant and did not know Jesus (remember that to God our physical death is not the end of existence!)... "The spirits now in prison are angels who had left their proper place (Jude 6). It's not talking about people." I cannot see how you can come to such conclusions... the angels that rebelled are as the Ancient Serpent (Satan), they refuse to humble themselves to God (Revelation 12:3-4, 7-9, 12). These angels were not misguided and lacking understanding! These angels fought against God and, once defeated, they still refused to humble themselves... rather, they brough the assault to the weakest members of God's realm: humanity! Peter, in 1 Peter 3:18-20, 4:6, is speaking on the fulfillment of Jesus' Salvation offered to all the creatures of God; these spirits are those who died not truly cognizant of God's Promise (Salvation in Christ Jesus). God Bless! Angel |
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8 | compasionate God versus vengeful God | Lev 18:25 | srbaegon | 140553 | ||
Hello Angel, I stand corrected. Your post did seem as if you were speaking of a physical prison. 1 Pet 3 is not an offer of salvation. The passage does not say that. 1 Pet 4 is speaking of the spiritually dead, not the physically dead. Steve |
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