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1 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | Mandy33319 | 52874 | ||
Part two: She said they said: 8. It's a sentence taken out of context since the speaker is also said to have been despised by his own people, as well as by all mankind. This wouldn't fit Jesus, since he was only hated by the Pharisees. The Romans were basically neutral; Jesus own people adored him; and the rest of the world didn't even know he existed. He said: 8. Jesus' own people rejected him (John 1:11; John 18:38-40; Acts 2:36) She said: Maybe somebody should remind John about the throngs of people who attended the miracle sessions, who came to be healed from all over the land. Where was John when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey’s colt, when Jesus’ entrance almost caused a riot, when he was hailed as the KING OF JEWS? Maybe John was on vacation, who knows? True, Jesus’ own people who were Pharisees, hated him, but certainly not the laymen. As far as Acts 2:36, did Peter literally mean each and every person in the whole country? Or, would we know that his comments were directed at the leadership, the Pharisses, the powers that be? Again, the vast majority of people would have had no reasons to despise Jesus. She said they said: 9. They have given me other "prophecies" that they say are taken out of context. Example: Matthew 22: 14--15. And Matthew 2:23 He said: 9. What do they mean that prophecies are "taken out of context"? How is Matthew 22:14-15 a prophecy at all? She said: Oops. A typo. It should have been Matthew 2: 14-15 instead of 22: 14-15. “Get up and flee to Egypt with the baby and his mother,” the angel said, “and stay there until I tell you to return, for King Herod is going to try and kill the child.” That same night he left for Egypt with Mary and the baby, and stayed there until King Herod’s death. THIS FULFILLED THE PROPHET’S PREDICTION, “I HAVE CALLED MY SON FROM EGYPT.” According to my friends, Hosea 11: 1-3 is the verse that is the prediction. “When Israel was a child I loved him as a son and brought him out of Egypt.” But then, when the rest of the context is viewed, problems arise as to its prophecy status: “But the more I called to him, the more he rebelled, sacrificing to Baal and burning incense to idols. I trained him from infancy, I taught him to walk, I held him in my arms. But he doesn’t know or even care that it was I who raised him.” Why did Matthew reach back and choose this one? None of the other Gospel writers noted it. It’s so far out of context, that it’s almost weird. Then, the other example given by the friends was Matthew 2:23, which compounded his problem with prophecy. According to the same informants, this “prediction” has no applicable base in the OT. She said they said: 10. The speaker appears to have been saved by God, but Jesus was not spared. He said: 10. Jesus was raised from the dead, glorified. Death did not hold Him. Just as Psalm 2 says, God did not let his Holy One see decay. She said: Yes, but how many hop, skips and jumps are allowed from chapter to chapter, verse to verse, stanza to stanza? If that kind of coverage is engaged in, there would be all kinds of connections. But, what would happen, also, would be all kinds of disconnections. The pro AND the con sides would have a field day. And “raised from the dead” is somewhat after the fact, the fact being that when Jesus was beseeching God for help, God didn’t help. Some mixed signals, to be sure. She said they said: 12. That what appears to happen is that the Gospel writers wrote their books with an OT blueprint. They knew what Jesus was supposed to fulfill so they made sure he did. He said: 11. Your pals need to go back and read the Garden of Gethsemane passages more carefully. And they need a lesson in the distinction between persons of the Trinity. Jesus was not talking to Himself there. She said: Do you understand the Trinity? Really? If you do, you’d be the first person I know about that really does. That would be unique, indeed. Trinity may be the real reason for the word “faith” to be a part of Christianity. (By the way, wouldn’t it be the distinction “among” persons, instead of “between” persons? Just something my “pals” are wondering about….) Part two |
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2 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | Reformer Joe | 52906 | ||
"Maybe somebody should remind John about the throngs of people who attended the miracle sessions, who came to be healed from all over the land." They abandoned Him. "Where was John when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey’s colt, when Jesus’ entrance almost caused a riot, when he was hailed as the KING OF JEWS?" That was Sunday. A lot happened between then and Friday. The KING OF THE JEWS was ordered by Pilate to be put on Jesus' cross, so that was a Roman decision, not on the initaive of the Jews. "As far as Acts 2:36, did Peter literally mean each and every person in the whole country?" Peter was speaking to the Jews collectively. There were over 3000 in attendance, and the response that follows in the next verse is clearly not just on the part of the Pharisees, and it is clearly a response to Peter's speech that culminates in 2:36. 'Do you understand the Trinity? Really? If you do, you’d be the first person I know about that really does. That would be unique, indeed. Trinity may be the real reason for the word “faith” to be a part of Christianity. (By the way, wouldn’t it be the distinction “among” persons, instead of “between” persons? Just something my “pals” are wondering about….)' Right. Your "pals." Looking over your previous posts, I now remember that we have discussed the Trinity before, as well as some other issues. Every last one of your posts has been dedicated to casting doubt on the revelation of God, whether it be the Trinity or meat-eating and the flood or God's sovereign choice in salvation or Paul's alleged homosexuality. If you are operating from the perspective of a follower of Jesus Christ trying to resolve apparent problems you have with the text, that is one thing (your "Paul may have been gay" comment out of left field suggests that this is not the case). If you are on some mission to demonstrate the "errancy" and "fallibility" of Scripture, please let me point you to the guidelines of this Forum and ask you to abide by them or stop posting here. The owner of this Forum has not set it up to be a debate center between agnostics/atheists and Christians. There are plenty of excellent sites such as http://www.carm.org which provide that type of venue. --Joe! |
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3 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | Mandy33319 | 52909 | ||
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4 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | 2ndSamuel22 | 52919 | ||
Dear Mandy, You wrote,"With all due respect, Sir, go to Hell...." I will be one of many praying that you will see the truth, that God will open your heart to accept the free gift of the Grace of God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and that you do not wind up "going to hell." May the Grace of Our Lord be with you!! 2nd Samuel 22 |
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5 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | Jeshuafreak | 52946 | ||
Hmm..did I miss something. Who should we pray for? | ||||||
6 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | 2ndSamuel22 | 53001 | ||
Dear Jeshuafreak, We should be praying for Mandy. Let us not forget II Peter 3:9--"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." He wants us all to be with Him in His heavenly kingdom. And we must endeavour to lead people like her to the truth, the Gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He is exalted, the King is exalted on High!! 2nd Samuel 22 |
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7 | Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? | Ps 22:16 | Jeshuafreak | 53002 | ||
Amen | ||||||