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1 | GEt back up | Revelation | TerryM | 1998 | ||
So you are of the belief that "once saved, always saved". Am I correct in saying this? If so, how do yo account for backsliders? You know, those people who are saved and fall. There is a song out now that sums it up beautifully... "A saint is just a sinner who fell down and tehn got up" (Get Back Up Again, Donnie McClurklan) |
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2 | GEt back up | Revelation | kalos | 2005 | ||
I cannot speak for inhzsvc, but I can and will speak for myself. FYI: . . . 1) Why do you put words in the mouth of inhzsvc? He does not use the phrase "once saved, always saved." . . . 2) The only people who ever say "once saved, always saved" are the people who don't believe in it, i.e. those who do believe in Eternal Insecurity. . . . 3) Hebrews 6:4-6 clearly teaches "once salvation is lost, it is always lost." "logically v. 4 implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again. This much is clear: whoever openly and consciously rejects Jesus Christ is unregenerate even if he seemed to have been saved ealier." Whether he had lost his salvation or never had it to begin with, "either way, the result is identical." (note at Heb. 6:4ff, NRSV Harper Study Bible) . . . 4) In the New Testament (KJV) the terms backslider and backsliding do not occur at all -- not even once. Therefore, I see no need to "account for backsliders." . . . 5) I do not base my faith and doctrine on songs. I base it on the Word of God only. Further, no song is infallible. Infallibility and inerrancy extend only to the Scriptures and only in the original manuscripts. . . . 6) Matt 24, verses 22, 24 and 31 all speak of "the elect." Therefore the elect actually do exist. The elect is not a myth manufactured by Mr. Calvin. . . . 7) Matt 24:24 implies that it is NOT possible to deceive the elect, a point to which inhzsvc refers in the first sentence of his answer. . . . Instead of witty comebacks, cliche phrases and quoting the lyrics of current songs, one might wish to try basing his replies on Scripture. |
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3 | GEt back up | Revelation | TerryM | 2008 | ||
I was not putting words in his mouth. I was asking him if he believed this. Hence, the question mark. I know people who truly believe that once you are saved, you are always saved and say it all the time. You can not speak for everyone on this. There are a lot of words that aren't in the Bible that we hold as valid (ex. Trinity, eucharist, usher, american). So are you saying that because that word is not in the Bible people can't "slide back into sin" (that is the meaning of the word). Neither do I base what I beleive on songs. I only referred to it as an example/definition. I was not refuting, disagreeing, or denying anything in his statement. I was merely asking a question or clarification on his part. I take my faith and my salvation seriously and for you to imply otherwise is an insult to me personally. I was in no way trying to be flip or argumentative...just curious. I am serve a God full of grace and mercy and believe that salvation is free to all who seek Him and forgiveness is avaliable who sincerly ask. Even to those who make mistakes. That is MY belief. I do nor will I force that on anybody else. If you dont' believe it that's fine too. But I know I have sinned and I KNOW I have been forgiven. Now...you tell the person who comes to you broken, seeking redemption and forgiveness from God that they are going to hell anyway. |
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4 | GEt back up | Revelation | kalos | 2020 | ||
You write: "Now...you tell the person who comes to you broken, seeking redemption and forgiveness from God that they are going to hell anyway." I do? It's news to me. As far as the rest of your reply, I admit I allowed myself to be provoked. And I was too harsh in my reply to you. Certainly you are entitled to your own understanding of Bible doctrine. I apologize for offending you. I do not offer this as an excuse, but it's just that some on this website (not saying you) have made such vicious attacks on the Bible doctrine of election and those who believe in it, that I'm a little shell shocked and tend to over-react. Again that does not excuse the tone I took with you. I was in the wrong and I admit it. |
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