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721 | Whats a womens place in the Church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | jlhetrick | 180350 | ||
Azure, I believe that the point you are apparently trying to make is a worthy one to consider. Keeping within the context of this thread, allow me to offer some input. Consider the following. The first thing that must be considered regarding your question to Steve is, what exactly does it mean that Adam was "created in God's image"? While you are contemplating that, consider the consequences resulting from that creation's (Adam's) fall. Seth was begotten in Adam's image. What was that image? I suggest, the image of corrupt man. Adam's nature of sin that was imputed to Seth and all of humankind. And so the work of the Holy Spirit in those of us that are saved, is to renew us, creating within us once again the image of Christ. 1 Cor 15:46-49 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. ESV Col 3:9-10 9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. ESV Again, in keeping with the thread context here also consider these verses. It seems like there is a lot said on the subject with very little reference to Scripture. 1 Cor 11:7-10 7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. ESV Hope this helps contribute to the discussion. God bless, Jeff |
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722 | Whats a womens place in the Church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | jlhetrick | 180428 | ||
Not a problem, just wanted to make sure you directed it to the appropriate post so that person will receive email notification if they have chosen that optoin. Jeff |
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723 | Whats a womens place in the Church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | jlhetrick | 180436 | ||
Hello Azure, No I can't explain the reference to "angels" in the passage. I have heard a variety of things said about it but can't say that I understand it. I have looked into it before, but still can't offer a sound explanation. I will offer some commentary from one of my favorite commentators. "She ought to have power on her head, because of the angels. Power, that is, a veil, the token, not of her having the power or superiority, but being under the power of her husband, subjected to him, and inferior to the other sex. Rebekah, when she met Isaac, and was delivering herself into his possession, put on her veil, in token of her subjection, Gen 24:65. Thus would the apostle have the women appear In Christian assemblies, even though they spoke there by inspiration, because of the angels, that is, say some, because of the evil angels. The woman was first in the transgression, being deceived by the devil (1 Tim 2:14), which increased her subjection to man, Gen 3:16. Now, believe evil angels will be sure to mix in all Christian assemblies, therefore should women wear the token of their shamefacedness and subjection, which in that age and country, was a veil. Others say because of the good angels. Jews and Christians have had an opinion that these ministering spirits are many of them present in their assemblies. Their presence should restrain Christians from all indecencies in the worship of God. Note, We should learn from all to behave in the public assemblies of divine worship so as to express a reverence for God, and a content and satisfaction with that rank in which he has placed us." (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.) I have also heard some who say that the reference to angels would be better translated "messangers" instead of angels and perhaps referring to visiting leaders or others who's tasks were to report back on the goings on they witnessed in the congregations. Can't be more specific than that as my memory fails me. You might do a search on the verse in the search window and find more said about it. There are at least a few on the Forum that are very knowledgeable regarding the orignial languages and the interpretation and tranlation processes. Hope this helps and God bless, Jeff |
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724 | standards for a preacher/biship | 1 Tim 3:2 | jlhetrick | 187729 | ||
Hello Victrix, My response here is generally to everyone involved; I tagged it to your post in order to say hello and welcome to the Forum. Welcome! My two cents worth is this. We all have to be careful in our attempts to both interpret and apply the passages in 1 Tim chapter 3. Too often we are quick to point our own crooked finger at the sin of another man, especially when we feel comfortable that his sin is greater than anything we are doing or have done. Here is my point. If having been divorced DISQUALIFIES one from the role of pastor (and I don’t find anywhere in Scripture where that is taught), deacon, elder, etc., then so does not being respected by some; being or having ever been inhospitable; having ever been drunk, having ever expressed violence; having ever quarreled with another, etc. If you find a pastor out there (anywhere at all) who can measure up to this, you have to ask a few more questions. Is he a good teacher? I have witnessed one or two, or three that were not (are they disqualified). Is he above reproach? HUUM. Let’s just cut to the chase- is he BLAMELESS. Well, he’s got to be disqualified. What about the new convert? How to we INTERPRET that? When Paul wrote that, practically everyone in the newly established churches was a new convert (at least in terms of how we might view it 2000 years later). We can’t take one or two of the BIG ones and hold them up and give a pass on the others. They were all given in the same breath so to speak. What we can be sure of is that the love of Christ supersedes all; the mercy of God is incomprehensible and the work of His grace covers a multitude of sins. God bless, Jeff |
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725 | Church staff's salary questionable | 1 Tim 3:7 | jlhetrick | 171440 | ||
Hello rockford, Interesting comment. You wrote: "May I suggest here that living "of the gospel" would be living by faith. I find that guaranteeing someone a SALARY would not be living by faith." Are you employed? If so, do you get paid a salary? If so, is your salary guaranteed? If you said yes to these questions, would you say you are living by faith? Would you relocate your family to a new state or town and committ to a job that said, sorry, we don't guarantee your salary? Think about it, Jeff |
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726 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184381 | ||
Hello TTime, sounds like a dire situation and my heart goes out to you as you are apparently very disturbed about the situation. However, let my words be words of caution. It is far from our understanding, and possibly your own, just exactly what this leader is involved with. Possibly sinful behavior, possibly reaching out to the lost. So my caution is that you don't misjudge this person and act in a way that will end up embarrassing yourself and putting yourself in the wrong. It may be more appropriate to have someone more grounded in Scripture deal with this. It's no small thing to question or "confront" a leader called by God as we have to assume at this point this person is. While your mulling this over consider the following passage. Matt 9:10-13 10 And as Jesus reclined at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were reclining with Jesus and his disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 12 But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician , but those who are sick. 13 Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." ESV God bless and prayer for the Lord's guidance on this, Jeff |
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727 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184426 | ||
Hello TTime, It seems you have resisted if not rejected my input. Allow me to clarify please. I did not intend to suggest that you have no grounding in the Word, I apologize for having come across that way. On the forum I have a habit of "cutting to the chase" as the space and time is limited for responding. Your original question was: "Where are scriptures to support having to confront leadership or authority? I recall I believe there was a time when Peter had to confront authority..." A clear statement that you did not have the Scriptural foundation to address the problem at hand. This issue being such a delicate matter, I felt it prudent to recommend you leave the matter to someone "more" grounded in the Word. I hope this is better expressed and received. Sorry you didn't find the scripture reference helpful. But your follow up to me did very well to demonstrate the application. You are half right concerning those sinners that Jesus interacted with. Some were changed, but some, as we see in the text, were not. Multiple encounters with the religious leaders of the day are good references. I agree totally that if this "leader" is accepting of the sin vs. the sinner then your concern is legitimate. While I am not an "official" church leader, I do believe I am a respected member of the church and local community. This weekend I will be attending a dinner party with my wife and her coworkers. It will be in a public place. There will be alcohol served and at least two of the participants are openly homosexual. I will be friendly and sociable. I know some things about these people and I don't believe a one of them to be saved. They also know a little about me. It's nice to know that my presence alone is enough to prevent dirty jokes and other behaviors that are customary for this group. I will enjoy my meal and my wife's company and pray that my witness will be obvious. Of course, I always pray that the Lord will use me to lead another to Him. God bless and thank you for allowing me to clarify. Jeff |
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728 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184475 | ||
Greetings TTime, thank you for your comments. I'm glad your concerned about the witness of Christians and I pray for a successful outcome regarding your current struggles. I do appreciate what you are going through. In my years as a Christian I have been disappointed by many in the church regarding their sin. In time though, I finally realized that my attention to their sinfulness did more to take time, energy, and effort away from dealing with my own sin. It's like racism. Focusing on the perceived shortcomings of the other in order to feel superior. It's a tragic trap to get caught up in. I agree that it is inappropriate for any Christian to be participating in any sin at any time for any reason. Any Christian, including one in a leadership position, needs to be held accountable when continuing willfully in sin. If you find it necessary to take on that role of disciplinary yourself, I hope this exchange has given you enough to think about during the course. One final thought and passage that hopefully will help. "Matt 7:1-5 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. " NKJV It is not my intention to call you the "hypocrite" but to encourage you to ensure that you are not. God bless, Jeff |
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729 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 160538 | ||
Hello Kalos, Why would I want to do that? |
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730 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 160563 | ||
Hello Mark, Not to play on words but I did not say that nightjays post was treated with disrespect. I said that it was not treated with respect. I believe that many post on this forum are not treated with the same loving attention and consideration as others. The trend seems to hold true for those post that are less articulate and where the poster may have obvious, limited knowledge of scripture. My opinion is that one can show little or no respect for something without necessarily being outright disrespectufl. Your are right that nightjay did not complain, but did you notice that he did not respond at all. Why? We can not speak for him, but might it be that he felt his question was not taken seriously or that he was made to feel his question was inappropriate or even stupid???? I did caution nightjay to "get used" to being treated this way because it is abasolutely true that this is a continuing issue on the forum. And yes, people can change, but I have not seen evidence of it here. As far as not naming names for Kalos I can only respond with a question of my own. In this same thread Doc wrote: "Someone will probably try to give you a simple, trite answer -- we have people who specialize in that here" Yet you nor Kalos asked Doc to name names nor did you attempt to call him on it or question him at all. Why? Finally, you asked, "who profits from my comments." Possibly no one. Possibly the person who feels like their limited knowledge of the bible does not mean that they are in the wrong place and can not be treated with respect and love on this forum. Am I wrong? Possibly. But I hope my efforts are not in vein. |
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731 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 160565 | ||
Hi Mark, Sounds good. I am off tomorrow and plan to spend some time following the post. I do more following than posting lately as I am learning from others and taking notes. I'll look forward to your response. Sincerely, Jeff |
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732 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 160661 | ||
Hi Mark, Thanks for the thoughtful response. I'm not just "playing nice" but to your credit, your posts are regularly beneficial. You are one of the few on the forum that asks and answers questions with love and kindness and this post I am responding to is a perfect example of how brothers and siters in Christ should respond to one another. Thanks I do want to say that your input on the forum, as far as I have seen, has been very well grounded in the bible. For what it's worth, there are three regulars on the forum that I follow regularly, primarily because I respect them and always learn something or at least gain new insight. You are one of the three. Thanks. After your post I added my email address to my profile. Should have thought of that in the first place. Anyway, feel free to email me in the future if you care to. Sincerely, Jeff |
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733 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 160733 | ||
Thanks Mark, No damage, sorry if I made it appear that way. A lot has been said of late regarding personal responsibility and the spiritual love that we should all be showing in our post. I never intend to insinuate that these things do not apply to me. They do, and they are not always obvious in my post. Like everyone, I have a personality and there are characteristics that are less than favorable. Being defensive is one of them. I can gladly say that those who know me personally can say that the Lord has done a lot to change me but I know that He still has a lot of work to do with me and I still have a lot of room for improvement. At the risk of sounding like I'm making excuses for myself I will say; another characteristic of mine is that I am very passionate. This can be both good and bad, productive and unproductive. I pray for the changes in me that only God can make, and ask for patients from my brother's and sister's on the forum. I hope for loving and kind redirection when necessary and hope to become better at giving the same in return. I look forward to continued learning experiences on the forum with you Mark. Jeff |
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734 | Understanding being saved. | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 178281 | ||
Lilies, If I can jump im here; I won't to offer some advise. A good approach to group bible study (and we can consider the forum to be just that) it's never a good idea to declare definitively something that you can not definitely support with scripture. Dealing with a single subject here, your definitive statement "The Holy Ghost is still on this hearth and is in us. Hence the unpardonnable sin against the Holy Ghost is still possible:" was not supported with Scripture. The Scripture that you offered does absolutely prove that the Holy Spirit is present in believers today. It does absolutely nothing to prove that the unpardonable sin is still possible today. Understand that I am not saying that it is not possible; I will be honest about it and say that I don't know one way or the other. My caution is against making statements that you can not support with Scripture. Those kinds of statements should be presented clearly as your opinion and not as though they are fact. With this approach other's will respect your opinion and then respectfully debate the subject benefiting everyone. As it is, you may present to others as one unwilling to be taught and unwilling to be corrected by Scripture. Sincerely, Jeff |
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735 | Bible Study | 2 Tim 2:15 | jlhetrick | 182760 | ||
Doc, It's interesting that you use different colors to highlight each person of the trinity. That's a great idea. I have a prophecy study bible that used the concept. Every passage that speaks of God is shaded a different color depending on the reference being to the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. I've thumbed through it but actually haven't used it yet. I saw it in the bookstore and thought that it would eventually be very useful for future studies. Jeff |
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736 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158164 | ||
Hi BrakK, Thanks for the response. I appreciate the 3 categories of people that you say participate in this and other forums and agree with you completely. I think it was humbledbygrace who posted not long ago that we should let the word of God speak for itself. No words we can offer can better defend the truth. The person posting about his/her dream appeared to me to be in serious error but to be in that situation innocently. In other words, he/she appeared to really believe that the dream and the “revealed” word had significance. Now belief is a powerful persuader especially if the believer is EAGER to believe in what he thinks might be true. It’s like believing in haunted houses. People want to believe that they are real. Another would be hard pressed to persuade him otherwise. However, the word of God presented lovingly and patiently in response to an apparent nonsensical question would have power to both rebuke and teach. We shouldn’t just tell people there wrong and state what Christianity says about it, we should provide the scripture to support our rebuke. With that said, I tend to believe that the need for a quick assessment of what category a poster falls in is less important. In time, someone with inappropriate motivations will be clearly seen for what he/she is and can be ignored or rebuked as appropriate. By jumping too quickly we may scare of a sincere searcher of the truth. By the way, you left out a 4th category of poster. He/she that wishes to demonstrate his/her knowledge and self-assigned superiority from a prideful heart; who never accepts redirection much less rebuke, and who will not respond honestly when they are called to account for their postings. BradK, you are by no means in this category so please don’t think I’m referring in any way to you. I often follow your post with interest and learn from you. Thanks. Also, your right. Experience is not the “gauge” of biblical christianity. But without it there would be no biblical christianity. The gauge is the word of God by which we test our experiences to know if we are in step with God or not. Again, thanks for the response. Jeff |
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737 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158165 | ||
Hi Mark7, Thanks for the response, Yes I am a christian and I am a member of a bible believing and bible teaching church. You write: "The reason some are touchy about "experience" is not that it contradicts the Bible but that it contradicts their interpretaion of such key scriptures as Acts 2:4!" Your right, but it's also because they see others attempting to take personal experiences and assign them as from God when they are not. Some examples are "holy laughter" and "being slain in the Spirit." There simply is no biblical reference to support these silly notions. But there are whole congregations being carried away by these things on a regular basis. Jeff |
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738 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158336 | ||
Mark7, Your missing the point. It's not how I feel, nor is it some strange and unbiblical teaching that convinces me of my salvation and standing with God. It is the word of God and it's clear teachings that assure me of my position with God. You see, I have been baptized by the Holy Spirit as scripture clearly teaches. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and believe that God has raised Him from the dead. I have accepted this work of Christ as atonement for my own sins because He offered it to me and I was hopeless without it. He then baptized me with the Holy Spirit, sealing me for the day of redemtion. I, like all Christians, have all there is to have of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not like an hour glass where you can manipulate Him through your good deeds and actions, or a fenzy of emotion causing Him to tilt you now and then giving you a little more and a little more of Himself. Hope this helps, Jefff |
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739 | 2nd last book of the NT Contrary? | 2 Tim 3:16 | jlhetrick | 178803 | ||
KumKum, Are you throwing out the four gospels as well as the book of ACTS too? You will need to spend some considerable time re-evaluating your beliefs I suspect. My thinking is that much about what you know and believe about Christ is only found in NT writings other than Paul's. You have your work cut out for you. It goes without saying that no person can know the mind of God. But the OT that you do express faith in gives us very good insight into how God has determined to deal with mankind in terms of revealing Himself to us. I want to point out one obvious fault in your logic. It is reasonable to believe that God chose to use multiple prophets in the OT for a very obvious reason. What would have been the consequences of God having only spoken through a single person? I suggest that it might look very much like your presentation regarding your support for Paul and out-right disregard for the other authors of the NT books. More specifically, the tendency to exhault a man while giving lip-service to the power of God. I believe Paul said it best: 1 Corinthians 3:3-6 (NASB95) 3:3 ...for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? 4 For when one says, "I AM OF PAUL," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men? 5 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. Paul, like every other NT author, was nothing more than a lowly sinner. The chief of sinners is how I believe he put it. I am thankful that he did include a warning against your argument in Scripture. Of course, he had no choice; like the other NT writers, he was inspired by God. God bless, Jeff |
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740 | Your thoughts on 40 Days of Purpose? | 2 Tim 4:2 | jlhetrick | 160566 | ||
Hi Hank, Well said, There is also a radio program (really more of a short blurb) called "Back to Genesis". These kinds of reality checks are great for us christians and any who might stumble across them. Thanks, Jeff |
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