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381 | Are we bringers of peace or division? | Luke 12:51 | charis | 36034 | ||
Dear Joe! Greetings in the name of Jesus! Tis late Sunday eve for me, but I would like to put forth a thought on this topic: "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 NASB. Brother I do see that we must reconcile these two outwardly different commands. I think that the answer is that the Bible, in conjunction with the Holy Spirit is able to divide the spirit (made in the image of God) and the soul (the emotions, often influenced by the flesh) of men, which can bring peace when correctly discerned. The tension between these two parts of man (as lamented by Paul) is often the cause of people not even able to be honest with themselves, much less with others. With that (somewhat fuzzy) thought, I shall sleep on it, allowing others to comment. I, too, think this is an interesting area to explore! Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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382 | Please explain the Trinity. | John 1:1 | charis | 30150 | ||
Dear Tim and Ethan, F equals 9/5C plus 32. 40C equals 104F. C equals 5/9 (F minus 32). 30F equals -1C. At least mathematics is pretty precise. :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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383 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35041 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings in the name of Jesus! So...'Once lost, always lost?' This would definitely lead back to a question I asked in another thread, "How easy is it to lose your salvation?" My friend, I have been reading the 'salvation maintenance' posts, and just cannot accept that way of thinking. (Sorry, I have not had the time to answer your questions) From what I have heard, we chose to accept Christ on our own initiative, then we must maintain a standard of excellence and perfect repentance in order keep that relationship, and now, we cannot stumble or we lose our salvation, never able to find Christ again. WOW! To be perfectly frank, I doubt if I know anyone worthy of this particular flavor of salvation. I must sleep! Busy day tomorrow! I will try to get back to this if I can. Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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384 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35077 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings in the name of Jesus! In answer to your questions: 1) "Are unilateral relationships something that must be maintained?" No. Our relationship with God is not a 'fair' one. We have nothing to offer that could even come close to what He did for us. The sum total of any amount of effort on our part will never pay for His sacrifice. 2) "Are they something that requires some effort on the parties involved in that relationship to keep it going?" No. Otherwise unilateral grace is not unilateral grace. It makes our relationship a bilateral one, a barter arrangement. Whatever we 'do for Christ' must be done with the absolute knowledge that we can never repay this debt. It keeps us humble! All of our effort must be simple and total submission of our will to Him. It is service, not mortgage. 3) "Is a persons involvement in any relationship passive?" No. (again) We actively serve our God and His people with the hope that we can see Him one day. "For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day." 2 Timothy 1:12 NASB. He initiated my salvation by quickening my spirit by His Spirit. The Spirit continues to lead me on a path of sanctification, in accord with the Bible and in relationship with His church. All I can do is believe. And one sweet day I shall see Him in all of His glory, this earthly body glorified. Any service I render unto God in the meantime is purely incidental, though He may give reward based on His interprtetation of my actions. "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 NASB. My friend, salvation by grace is a surety, but losing that salvation is but a possibility, with no measurable means to achieve it. As long as there is no way that I can know what is necessary to reject or deny Christ, I see no point in dwelling on that (IMHO, very SLIM) possibility. Much ado about nothing. :-) Zach†, I am not a 5,4,3 or 2-point anything, so I have no absolute position to defend. :-) I can see your point about the possibility of losing salvation. I know that this is a public forum to discuss Biblical theory and opinion. But I sure hope that this point is not a daily part of your life or a foci in your evangelism of the lost or encouragement of the saints. Saved by grace through faith is so much more comely! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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385 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35090 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus! My friend, I appreciate your thoughts on this important topic. I trust that we are not too far from one another, indeed closer than we may imagine! Let me preface my comments with this: I am no scholar, nor am I a deep thinker. Perhaps there was a time in my past that I sought for such monikers. Personally, I find the Bible, and Jesus Himself(!) a stumbling block to such endeavor. My humble attempt is to see the entire Gospel from a step back. I can never claim to see from God's perspective, but getting too close to either the 'words' of the Bible or to 'personal experience' seems to lead to a 'three-blind-men's-view-of-an-elephant' type of situation. My thoughts are that our salvation from hell and damnation are wholly dependent on God's love. Therefore your Point 1 is how I view my salvation. As to whether this love is to all mankind, or only for the elect, I don't know. The 'words' of the Bible could support either or both, as His grace is truly amazing, and beyond the full comprehension of mortal man. If asked to 'prove' my faith in His grace, I am at a loss. After almost one year participating in this forum, I have not seen either 'side' prove their 'point' either! :-) The sum total of the Word of God seems (to me) to say that God chose His people, Old Testament and New. On that I simply trust Him. Your Point 2 about relationships is not, IMHO, speaking of what we are saved *from,* but what we are saved *into.* Please do not misunderstand me! I am not speaking of a two-tier or multi-tiered salvation. In my thinking, our salvation from hell and damnation IS salvation. But after that entirely God-started-and-finished work is initiated, we are encouraged (NOT obligated) to serve our Savior and His church. The direction that I had hoped to go in my original question above was the situation of Israel after they were saved from Egypt. They (apparently ALL Israel) were chosen and led forth from captivity. But they did not serve God, and all but two died in the wilderness. Their relationship with God was far from good, but His grace and love continued 'for His name's sake.' Even those that wanted to return were not allowed, though rebellion was dealt with severely. In the present age, we are saved (from damnation) by God's love and grace. He desires that we serve Him, and encourages us to do so in His Word and in His church. This would be the New Testament 'Promised Land.' Even if we fall short, he will not send us back to where we came from. Some may try, and (very few) may actually succeed! I think that some may 'appear' to have forsaken God, but He is still gracious. But for all practical purposes, we are saved! The intricacies of how to go back to hell are beyond my comprehension or interest. Brother, I have no 'systematic theology' for this theory, this hope. It is just what I hold in my heart. I believe that the 'sum' of Scripture supports my path, and so far no other 'bent' answers this hope. Blessings and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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386 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35134 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings from Yokohama in the name of Jesus! Friend I hear you, and I am well aware that Jude, James and, depending on interpretation, several other writers of Scripture could be thought of as saying that we are responsible for finishing (maintaining to the end) our faith. However, the sum of Scripture speaks to my heart that we can never merit salvation from hell and damnation, only reward on earth and in heaven. To my way of thinking, salvation is not a reward, but a gift without price or mortgage. After this gift has been bestowed, I do believe that the Bible speaks of reward on earth for *faithfulness* (not faith). This reward is something that God desires to give, but He will not without our submission and sensitivity to His design and will. This reward is given to some in life, according to His will, and to all upon the final judgement. In death we are fully humbled, and eternal reward is given in God's perfect reckoning, all positive, no negative. (thus no tears or dissatisfaction in heaven, all questions are answered, all accounts are settled, His sovereignty and peace rule all!) So, in my estimation, the answer is, "No, we cannot claim any part in our salvation from hell and damnation." The difference between us appears to be that I segregate faith and faithfulness. I am well aware that my stance has holes in it! :-) I pray they are filled by grace. The alternative is to believe in one argument or another, but both seem to be human in nature, not of God. When one is a clear 'victor,' I may reconsider, and align myself. :-) (I'm not holding my breath!) In the meantime I will remain 'simple,' praying that His grace is sufficient for me. I have another 'thought,' and I don't know where to put it, so I will close with it. As a minister of the Gospel, and a shepherd of those that hope in Christ Jesus, I have not found a practical way to segregate those that are still 'of faith' and those that are 'fallen.' If 'manifest faith' is the measure, then many I pray for are lost. I know of many that have tasted of the heavenly gift, and then departed from serving Christ. Some have returned, some have not. I cannot find a clear passage that tells me to give up on people just because they are not in church. I mean this in a personal, individual sense. Truly, there may be 'general' Scriptures to this effect, but none that speak to my heart. Maybe I am too soft? :-) (those that have heard me preach would never accuse me of this!) Nonetheless, I will continue to believe that God still loves these 'wayward' brethren, at least until the Lord convinces me otherwise. Joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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387 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35143 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings from Japan in the name of the Lord Jesus! "After reading that, I ask, when you say "not without our submission" that makes me believe that individuals must take some responsibility in the surrendering and yielding process. Your thoughts?" My friend, my thoughts are simple, and without contradiction. (at least in this instance. :-)) Submission, surrender and yielding are all part of the sanctification process, and pleasing to God, perhaps to be rewarded. But not anything to do with our salvation from hell and damnation. As to victory, I do not agree with Jerry Bridges. If we consider 'Victory' to be victory over death and the grave, nothing we can do, even obedience, can gain it. Jesus alone holds this distinction. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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388 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 35148 | ||
Dear zach†, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Friend, even if you did trap me with your questions, I could always plead stupidity or temporary insanity! :-) I do see what you mean. And I probably know most, if not all of the many other verses you could quote. I could also quote to you a good many verses that speak of the sovereignty of God and His graceful election, but I won't. :-) I strive to keep the commandments of Jesus, that I may show my love for Him. But neither my keeping them, nor my love for Jesus save me. "Don't these verses teach us something about the importance of our responsibility to obedience to the faith?" Yes, they do, and I pray that our obedience is noted. But I do not think that this obedience will save my soul. I sometimes think that there will be those that are sure their works were 'gold, silver and precious stones,' but on that day find that much was but 'wood, hay and stubble' in God's sight. They will be burned up, and he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. On the other hand, some that is considered trash by others, may be considered valuable in God's measure. Well, I must retire. It is late, and I am working 'double-shifts' these days. Oyasumi-nasai (Good Night) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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389 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 36604 | ||
Dear Greg Martin, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Brother, with all due respect, I have to ask if you have read any of my posts at all. (?) I have been championing the sovereignty of God, the efficacy of faith and the assurance of the believer for some time on this forum. Please do not accuse me of trying to thwart God. Please explain where I doubt the power of God before you cry, "Shame on your arrogance!" Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? :-) Peace and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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390 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 36610 | ||
Dear Greg Martin, Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus! "For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness." 1 Corinthians 10:1-5 NASB. I, personally, believe that if you are saved by faith, you are saved by faith. You cannot lose your salvation. Nor do I think it is easy to 'forfeit' salvation, thought there is some Biblical evidence that it is possible. Now the salvation by faith of Israel is a type of our New Testament salvation. Was Israel saved or not? Or are you saying only some were saved? (remember, ALL were baptized in the cloud and the sea!) Does displeasing the Lord cause a believer to lose salvation, as in laid low? As I see it, Moses was also displeasing to the Lord, and was laid low in the wilderness. However, I believe that Moses was saved. (by grace, through faith) His faith may have been imperfect and 'spotty,' but isn't ours? Who is worthy to enter heaven on their own merits? No one I'VE ever met! :-) Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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391 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 36745 | ||
Dear Greg Martin, Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus! My point about Israel being 'baptized in the cloud and in the sea' were that they were saved out of Egypt, then 'cleansed' (baptized) by the water and the Spirit. Paul likens the Exodus, the cloud of the 'presence of God' and the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea to his (our) present-day salvation experience. If this can be interpreted as such, then ALL Israel was saved! But many (most, including Moses) were displeasing to God, and laid low (died) in the wilderness. Were they 'unsaved' as in 'never really saved' or did they lose their salvation? I, personally, think they were saved, but displeasing to God. Does this mean they went to hell? I don't think so. If they did, Moses would be included, wouldn't he? Yet I believe that Moses is saved. Now, if we accept that grace through faith was salvific in the Old Testament (like Abraham, though he made his own mistakes), then is this not similar to our present situation? Yet you seem to be saying that if a person claims salvation, but sins (doesn't have his heart right), then he was never saved to begin with. Is that right? Friend, I am well aware that there are abusers of grace, including some very well-know Biblical men. (interestingly, not too many unfaithful women! :-)) We of the present generation do not have a monopoly on sin or unfaithfulness. I have to ask, can a person have his heart right (enough) to get saved, but fall into a sinful lifestyle? Is he not still saved by grace? Or are we judged always by the 'state of our heart' immediately prior to death? I see this thread as leading to a situation that we are saved by grace through faith, but we are required to 'maintain' our faith through outward faithfulness. I cannot agree to this. The Bible tells me that God continues to love those who believed in Him, even if they fall into temptation or sin. Of course, God is well-pleased with those that are faithful to Him! And, He is displeased with those that are weak or unfaithful. But does He take back His grace? I don't think so. Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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392 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 36749 | ||
Dear Greg Martin, Greetings in Jesus' name! Trust me, my friend, I AM thinking! Even before your 'tongue-in-cheek admonishment.' :-) There are several ways to make the "†" symbol, bu the easiest is to copy-and-paste it into the post, just like you did! Greg, I am not being ambivalent at all. I am being honest enough to admit that the 'saved-by-faithfulness' team has a point. There ARE many Scriptures that seem to say that salvation can be lost. My stand is that it is 'nigh-impossible' to lose salvation, that for all intents and purposes our salvation is secure. On the other hand, your method of saying that, "We are absolutely saved, BUT if we act like we are unsaved then we were never really saved!" is a cop-out. You end up saying the exact same thing as the 'salvation-by-maintained-faithfulness' crowd. In fact, I think they are more honest in their judgement! At least they admit that they are making an earthly judgement on a heavenly decision. :-) Peace to you, my brother! I think my 'ambivalence' gives God all glory and sovereignty, gives the believer assurance that God is in control, yet makes room for God to alter His judgement if He sees fit! Why would God do this? I don't know, and honestly don't lose sleep over it! I preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost and the saved. I preach holiness, but not out of constant fear of hell (though that possibility exists! but 'once lost, always lost!'[?] 'one-shot grace!' [?]), but to please God! To me, pleasing God is a worthy (and holy!) endeavor, If you want to see and hear how I balance these things, you will have to come to Yokohama! :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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393 | O.T. Israel salvation? | John 6:49 | charis | 37819 | ||
Dear Greg Martin, Greetings in Jesus' name! My friend, you illustrate my point exactly! Only God knows the heart, so only God knows whether one is saved or not. We can try to point to a person's works (actions or inactions) and discern their 'position' in God's sight, but there is no accurate practical means for man to measure another's salvation. The only starting point we have for ascertaining someone's salvation is their own testimony, and according to your post, subsequent denial of Christ is not a measure of one's eternal situation. I agree with this position. I know of some that are not presently serving God, but at one time did confess Christ as Savior. In the same way that I trust Christ for my own salvation, even though I fall short, I will trust in His salvation for those not 'keeping up' their salvific works. To me, this is 'once saved, always saved.' All this said, God is sovereign! If He should choose to 'break His own rules' and take away salvation from those who were once saved, that is His business. I trust that this is a rare occurrence, and is completely in accord with His infinite wisdom and knowledge. This, IMHO, would satisfy the Scriptures that seem to speak of 'lost salvation.' In any case, we on earth, are not privy to any specific knowledge. Peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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394 | How about faithful Jews? | John 14:6 | charis | 1843 | ||
Dear SLSalsman, I thank you for answering with such clarity. I am now sharing with a brother regarding this issue, and your thoughts mirror mine. The above scripture, John 14:6 and others in the same vein, are often used to exclude the Jews from salvation. I do not think that 'Jews in the flesh' are automatically saved from Hell by birthright, but a covenant of faith has been made with Abraham, and I cannot believe God would 'renege' on a promise. Blessings to you in Christ Jesus. charis |
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395 | One religion as good as another? | John 14:6 | charis | 29651 | ||
Dear Servant7, Greetings to you in the name of Jesus! I agree with you that the Abrahamic covenant may well be in effect. In fact, that is what I was saying in my post, right? I seem to be missing something here. What two studies? While I am here, I might as well say that as to the salvation of Israel and/or the Jews, I am not sure I can accept that without a disclaimer. If we are talking about a geopolitical entity and/or an ethnic group that have the reputation of a penchant for mammon (tongue in cheek, cousins! :-)), I would have to disagree. But if we are talking about a nation of faith in the God of Abraham, El-Shadday and/or individuals that trust in the covenant made to their fathers, I could see that God will have a place for them in His heart. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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396 | 'Seed' salvation? | John 14:6 | charis | 29966 | ||
Dear Robert, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Yokohama is a bit cold, too! But not like Canada! :-) Friend, I agree with all you wrote here. I do believe that Jesus is the door to heaven. However, I cannot *absolutely* state that no one else will make it to heaven, because the Bible DOES make room for 'loopholes' in His divine plan. No doubt these 'exceptions' are by His grace, and according to His sovereignty. The *everlasting covenant* to Abraham is one example. I, personally, do not feel I have sufficient Scriptural evidence to negate this holy covenant to the 'father of our faith.' So, I give that to God. Another is children, especially of unsaved parents. I do not believe that the Bible clearly explains their status with God. This is a very emotional topic! Nobody wants to say these 'innocents' belong in Hell. (I put 'innocents' in quotes because I have witnessed that at about 6 months old the 'innocence' seems to be gone, replaced by good old human will :-)) Yet, the Bible does not say that all are saved until a certain age, then they lose their salvation. Another is the sad case of those that do not have the mental capacity to manifest any kind of relationship with the Lord Jesus. True, we do not know what is going on in the mind of a mentally disabled person, but some really do seem incapable of a salvation realtionship based on repentance from sin. Yet another is in 1 Corinthians 7 regarding the sancification of an unbelieving spouse. This portion of Scripture seems to put a covering upon the children of believers as well. Does this mean that they are 'automatically' saved? I doubt it, but I don't know in an absolute sense. Some would even go a step further and tie it in with Acts 11:14 and say that one person's belief covers all family up to first cousins! No kidding! I think this is foolish, but some are so sure. :-) What I am saying here is that many spend an inordinate amount of time and effort to 'prove' either the 'narrowness' of salvation or the 'breadth' of it. I don't. I preach to Jews of salvation in Christ Jesus. I preach to the infirm the Gospel, and pray that the Lord would quicken their understanding. I preach to children the need for knowing Jesus, and starting their own walk with Him. And I preach to unsaved relatives that THEY need to know the Lord Jesus! Even if there are 'loopholes,' I am not off the hook to preach the Gospel of hope to the lost, AND to the saved. Thank you for your kind words! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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397 | 'Seed' salvation? | John 14:6 | charis | 29987 | ||
Dear moedee, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Friend, I appreciate your response and accompanying commentary on the Parable of the Sower. Honestly, though, I cannot fathom the relevance to my post. I hear what you are saying about John 14:6, but I do beg to differ. What do YOU think about children that die before birth? The mentally infirm? The clear references to Israel in the Book of Revelation? The unsaved spouse of a believer? Do you pack them all off to Hell, quoting John 14:6? I KNOW that God is just, and that He knows that heart of man, while we do not. I trust Him completely. But He has not addressed these issues except to imply that grace may be applied. Therefore, I do not propose 'extra-Gospel' salvation lightly, but only give these things over to God's sovereignty. Peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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398 | Is there no volition? | John 15:4 | charis | 562 | ||
"...work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" PHI 2:12 "...let us run with endurance the race that is set before us," HEB 12:1. Dear fellow, these are not intellectual exercises or academic processes. Let me explain: The original question was 'How do you abide in Christ?' (not, "what is the theory behind abiding?") My answer was that various willing actions of faith (submitting to the commands of Christ) would produce (sorry, bear) fruit. Your note indicated that faith, obedience, fellowship and sharing the gospel were fruit of the Holy Spirit, that we had no volition in the matter. Your above answer makes it clear that you believe salvation has little to do with life on earth. All our works are only a result of God's election. We indeed become merely puppets. This sounds so much like 'karma' that it is eerie. Are we simply products of the 'fate' that God decided. In the same way we credit Adam with willful sin (or was he just a tool to bring sin to mankind), give us all a little credit for abstaining from sin after we come to know Jesus (post-salvation grace and works). Apparently, 'proper understanding" of James is that he was wrong, works are not essential. I keep talking about how to serve Jesus here, now, in our present state, in the world we now occupy, and you keep answering in nebulous, prehistoric, and eschatological terminology, quoting dead people that agree with your doctrinal leanings. "To abide in Christ...is to have no known sin unjudged and unconfessed..." Does this mean that if you don't know it, it's not sin? Do you actually know anyone who has correctly judged and confessed every one of his sins? I haven't yet met such a person (except maybe in his own mind). Again, God initiated our walk in Christ by sending the gift of faith, but desires that we choose to continue that walk from our volition. He sent His Spirit to help us, and comfort us, and encourage us. Thank You, Jesus! | ||||||
399 | Is there no volition? | John 15:4 | charis | 579 | ||
Dear fellow, Please understand that I mean dear, and I mean fellow. I am in no way being condescending. I don't know your name, your gender, your age, or your place of domicile. I know you only as a Christian. You are apparently well-read and fervent in your faith in Christ Jesus. I injected irony into my comments, and I did say, "...you believe...," which was inappropriate. You are correct in stating that you never mentioned the word election. For these I humbly apologize. This forum is for the benefit of all who read, of the many-membered body of Christ. It seems to me that your answers tend to be more theological or philosophical. I can see that you have spent a great deal of time studying the Bible and the works of others (dead and alive) that dedicated themselves to the study of the Bible. Though I also study, my calling leads me to be more concerned with the application of faith in everyday terms dealing with common folk. Very few people understand (or care) about how Hebrew and Greek applies to them. Few people really grasp the difference between 'produce' and 'bear' fruit. Even I know that my good works do not purchase my salvation, and I think that anybody who has come to a personal relationship with Jesus understands this. "Credit for us?"(scoff) Yes, I think we do participate in the battle against sin. I do understand that "all praise is God's," but we also enter the fray. Maybe you live in an environment with little temptation or trial. Where I live there are less than 1 percent professing Christians. Theoretical faith has little use. When someone asks me, "How do I abide in Christ?" I have to give them some practical direction, not a theological discourse. Winning arguments doesn't win souls here. It only further alienates those who are already convinced that all Christian are pedantic and arrogant. Please understand my point of view, and I will try to reciprocate. Back to this forum, I am under the impression that many who participate are searching for practical means of serving God. I hope be share with them, giving and receiving as we work out our salvation. Peace to you, in Jesus' name. |
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400 | Is there no volition? | John 15:4 | charis | 948 | ||
Dear JVH0212, This week has been great for me because of your note. The reason is that the Spirit led me to repentance and peace through our little discussion. I believe that the Lord used you to help me, and I thank Him for you. Though I still disagree on some points here and there, I am sure that our discussing them like Christians is pleasing to God. I, too, look forward to 'talk about Jesus' with you and the esteemed colleagues involved in this forum. In Christ Jesus, charis | ||||||
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