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1 | How important is your Church? | Bible general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29327 | ||
Yes we do. It means a ton. It is a gift Jesus gave us to remember Him by and to share in Him by. It is a tangable reminder that He lived and of the flesh and blood He gave to repay a debt I could never overcome. Bless...ArtS |
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2 | How important is your Church? | Bible general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29344 | ||
10 years? Only two. But before that, I jumperd around a lot. I started out in one where they taught "this is the way it is and if you don't believe it you're going to hell." That pastor would leave and we'd get a new intern pastor who said "this is the way it is and if you don't believe it you're going to hell." But it was different than what the last guy said. Then another intern and the same scenario. Most of the ones I attended after that I simply didn't agree with their doctrine. I couldn't find it supported in the Bible and moved on (this was Jr. High/Sr. High time). I finally found one that I didn't disagree with anything they preached. I stayed there for a number of years (until a new pastor came and started doing all kinds of things I didn't like). Then, looking back, I realized that the reason I had stayed is because they didn't teach anything I disagreed with. But that was because they didn't really teach anything. Sermons were about smoking, drinking, being mean or rude, etc. No Jesus anywhere. Now I have found one that pretty much sticks with the Bible. There are a few places doctrines come in, but for the most part, I simply just disagree (most of them are small). There you go! Bless...ArtS |
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3 | How important is your Church? | Bible general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29359 | ||
Me individually. My dad didn't have anything to do with church and my mom's idea of church was telling me I was going wether I liked it or not. We never spoke about God or church as a family. That is until my dad died and I have no idea if he was saved or not. Then I started talking about it with my mom. I didnt want her to die without me believing I would see her again. Bless...ArtS |
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4 | Bib Ref on weapons of war today being OK | Bible general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29377 | ||
Also, when the soldiers come for Jesus, Peter uses his sword and cuts off one of the soldier's ears. Jesus does not rebuke him for having or using the sword, only for thinking that Jesus could not stop this if it wasn't meant to be. If weapons were wrong, Jesus would have told Peter so. Bless...ArtS |
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5 | Audio Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29650 | ||
I'm downloading them! So thanks! Bless...ArtS |
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6 | IS PRODUCING"GOLD DUST"@CHURCH A GENUINE | NT general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 28946 | ||
Thanks Jman and thanks for the link here. But did you notice I was followed? Grrr.... Bless...ArtS |
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7 | IS PRODUCING"GOLD DUST"@CHURCH A GENUINE | NT general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29325 | ||
LOL, oh, you caught that post, huh? Have to admit maybe it wasn't in the best of taste, but I was only using my dictionaty and Thesaurus! Yeah, he posted about 50 of his "prayer" replies to my first post, but I thing the board host then banned him. Bless...ArtS |
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8 | WHICH COMES FIRST, THE RAPTURE OR TRIBUL | NT general Archive 1 | Rom831 | 29540 | ||
Thanks for your reply. It is very interesting. I guess I can kind of see this view and kind of agree. But, where would you put the events of Revelation? See, I believe these things (mostly) will occur before the rapture. In fact, I believe these are the same things I pointed to in the Daniel verses. In fact, I think they are happening right now. Where I think I differ, is in what we are terming things. I believe there will be wars (which always cause famines). I believe we will be persecuted more and more. I believe things are going to start getting worse and worse just as both the Matthew and Daniel verses say. But then, these days will be cut short and these things will end when Jesus appears (rapture). Then starts Revelations. Which is what I believe is the great tribulation. I see what we will be here for to just be the "birth pangs." Nothing compared to the 7 seal, trumpet and bowl judgments and three woes. Bless...ArtS |
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9 | God's anger at Babel tower, why? | Genesis | Rom831 | 29337 | ||
I'd agree. God instructs them to go forth and multiply (Gen 9:1). But instead, they decided to build a city instead so they would not be "scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth." (Gen 12:4) Bless...ArtS |
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10 | Is God really just? | Deut 32:4 | Rom831 | 31424 | ||
How does this fit with the teachings of Jesus? Are we as Christians told to be servants of believers only, or servants? Was the Samaritan wrong for helping someone who was not a Samaritan? Would he not have been better off passing the other by and only offering his gift to another Samaritan? Why should we go into all nations and not just to those nations who are more open to recieve the gift? Why should we try to rerach and baptize all nations instead of only a few select ones more open to the gift? Are we to love each other as Jesus loved us? Or are we to only love those we choose to love and its ok to hate and condemn the others as you say Jesus did by not offering any chance of avoiding eternal torment in the river of fire? When somone knocks and asks for a loaf of bread, should we give him a stone and only give the loaf to some of those whom we choose to give our gift? I'm sorry, maybe its my limited mind, but I cannot comprehend Calling God just, in any way, if He randomly chooses the majority of people and refuses them His grace and intern condemns them to hell. If Jesus paid the price, justice is served. If God offers his forgivness to everyone justice is served even if some refuse it. If God chose me over someone else to recieve His forgivness and chose that person to suffer in Hell, then that is not justice, that is not love, and it is not mercy. It is favoritism (a sin) to me and the ultimate cruelty (a sin) to the other person because it was not that person, but God who refused to love and forgive that sinner. If Jesus paid the price for us and offered it to everyone who would believe, He is loving and that love is perfect. If He paid the price that would cover everyone, but went down the list saying "You I choose to save, but you can burn in Hell" then He is cruel and what love He has is not perfect, but highly selective. That is just not the loving, perfect, loving God I know and worship. That is a hateful, mean tyrant. How can you be loving and merciful and choose that the majority of your creation will suffer torment for ever and ever? I cannot believe that. I hope this thread will be short, because honestly, I am closed minded on this. I just had to voice my extreme confusion on even the thought of this concept. I will not believe in a God that would be this cruel. |
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11 | Is God really just? | Deut 32:4 | Rom831 | 31525 | ||
I mention the questions to point out that Jesus never once held back or instructed us to. While here, He gave to all and instructed us to do the same. Yet when it comes to salvation, you suggest He didnt do this. It doesn't fit. I never said any of us do not deserve hell, we all do. But if He chose me to gt Heaven, that is merciful to me. ut that means He also specifically looked at someone else and said "I will never forgive you and you will burn in Hell because I refuse to give you my love. I will make it so you can never come to me so I can be justified in condeming you to eternal torment because it is my will and desire that you spend eternity in the river of fire." And you better believe, if God chose me and not another person, thet IS a VERY good reason to boast. Throw your spin out here and tell me why its not. But sorry, it aint going to work. You say "perhaps, maybe Jesus didn't die for the sins of every single human being". Yet the Bible says He died for the sins of the world. Seems pretty inclusive to me. Please show me where Jesus' death did not cover all sins. No "perhaps" or "maybe". God may show love and mercy to me. But in your model, He by His choice alone, refuses it to the vast majority of His creation. Then He says to love each other as He loved us. So then, really, I only have to love a few peple. I can hate and condemn the rest, right? I was very careful of my wording. I worship the God in the Bible. God IS love (1John4:8). God does not show partiality (Deu 10:17), od shows loving kindness to ALL who call UPON HIM (Ps86:5), God doesn't love some, but the world (john3:16), He is not willing that even one shall be lost (Mat18:14). None of these fit with a God who refuses His love and grace to the lost. God saving some is merciful. But there are two heads to every coin. God refusing His love and mercy to others based soely on His decision alone, thus condemining them to eternal torment, is NOT loving or merciful. Bless...ArtS P.S. I am sorry I did not provide the scripture verses in the last post. I thought the things I was referring to were trecognizeable enough without them to realize they were scripture. |
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12 | Is God really just? | Deut 32:4 | Rom831 | 31533 | ||
I wouldn't be boasting about anything I did, but in the simple fact that God chose me and not them. That's even a better boast. Because if I was bragging about me or something I did or had control over, the other person could simply do it to. But to say God chose me above them? The favoritism God sowed towards me is a HUGE reason to boast!!! "God chose me and not you! I go to heaven and you rot in hell!" "Not fair! How do I get Him to choose me?" "You can't! Ha ha!" "but I don't want to suffer eternal torment" "Too bad, God didn't want you!" Instead, having the offer of salvation available to all eliminates any chance of this. This gift becomes available to al. I can no longer boast this. Jesus paid the price for them as well. God chose them and showed no favoritism to me. That same conversation would be "God has chosen all who believe, and since I do, I'm going to heavn, since you don't, you're not." "Not fair! How do I get Him to choose me?" "You have to believe in His Son Jesus" "I don't want to suffer eternal torment" "Then accept His free gift" I loose my ability to brag because the gift is theirs as well. Not one of those verses does what you hope. Once you understand God didn't choose YOU but He chose those who would accept His Son, you understand how all those verses can actually be fully satisfied and still allow the rest of scripture to be true without spinning what is written. Bless...ArtS |
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13 | Explain million year old dinosaurs. | Job | Rom831 | 28884 | ||
If it was millions of years, please then explain how death did not enter the world until Adam sinned (RO 5:12) yet animals would have had to die in those millions of years. And heve you actually read about behemouth? Tail like a cedar, bones of bronze and iron, not even the raging Jordan can move him, no one can capture him, his nose cannot be pierced by a barb, you cant spear him, capture him for trade, he is so fierce no one dare rouse him, has an outer armor, fierce teeth, has scales that cannot be seperated, fire from his mouth, smoke from his nose, When he raises himself up the mighty fear, sword nor spear can beat him, iron is like straw to him, bronze as rotten wood, the sea like a jar of ointment, he makes an enormous wake in water as he walks, etc. A hippo??? hehe Bless...ArtS |
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14 | Questions about blessing others - take 2 | Matt 10:13 | Rom831 | 28966 | ||
Thanks for the reply. Maybe I should have clarified a little better. Nothing has happened to my daughter. He just thinks its funny to talk about it happening. Trying to get me to lash out. Anyway... I understand what you are saying, but what then is menat buy the Mat 10:13 verse that if they are unworthy, to take back your blessing and brush their dust off your sandals? That's from Jesus Himself... Bless...ArtS |
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15 | Questions about blessing others - take 2 | Matt 10:13 | Rom831 | 28968 | ||
Eh, he's just clakning his gong. In the end, that's all evil can do. Besides, he is friends with another poster there and I know that guy is from Amsterdam. So I'm not sure this one is even in the US. As far as the verses, I'm still not sure. Its going to take more praying on I guess. Yes, Jesus was speaking to the disciples, but so was He many times and His truth is still, and always will be true. And anyone who spreads His word, is also His disciple. So He is speaking to us too. Much to contimplate... Bless...ArtS |
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16 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30304 | ||
First, just using common sense, the two brothers were equal, both with an inheritance coming from the father, the father representing God. So the son who left, was a child of God, not a child of Satan. Second, the verse reads "and has come to life again". "Again" means he was alive before. Then, when he tuned is back on God, he became dead. Then, when he came back to God, he was alive "again". Bless...ArtS |
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17 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30305 | ||
To your points: 1) makes no sense. How can you intrepret this as anything but salvation. The one immediately before talks about a sinner repenting and receiving salvation. The parable itself speaks of a man taking his inheritance from God and squanders it on earth (and isn't our inheritance salvation?). The next one goes on to show what happens when you choose to waste what God gives you, saying you cannot serve these earthly desires and God. In the parable, the son was alive, dead, then alive again. He had an inheritance that was his, from God. Only saved people have this. 2) Is it possible for us to restore him? No. Is it possible for him to restore himself? no. Is it possible for God to restore him? Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Wit God, ALL things are possible. 3) Parables are he words of Jesus. That's good enough for me. 4) It doesn't say he stopped being a son, it says he became lost and dead. Either this happened when he turned from God, or Jesus left something out. I tend to believe He didn't. When did he regain his salvation? When he returned to God (we see this by the celebration that occurred as we are told in the parable prior to it would take place when someone is saved). Bless...ArtS |
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18 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30313 | ||
How does that make sense? The "father" told the grumbling son tat he had always been with Him. Is this true about the pharasies? Seems to me Jesus spoke of them harshly as vipers and such. Doesn't sound like someone who has always been near and dear to God. Bless...ArtS |
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19 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30314 | ||
Honestly, I know very little about Calvin and honestly don't have much desire to find out. I have not derived my belifes from him or any other preacher. Just based on making what I see to be to only conclusion possible based on the entire Bible. I had a friend on another board that would get a kick out of you calling my ideas Calvanistic though. He thinks I'm as armenian as they come. Me? I don't do labels. Bless...ArtS |
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20 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30315 | ||
But the son previously had life, the was dead, and was alive again. So it wasn't just someone lost then found. And it doens't make sense that it was Jews/Gentiles because He doesn't use any of His comon analogies for them. Also, neither case fits the gentiles. They weren't always saved, neither were they saved, lost, and saved. And why would it be the Jews? What point would He have been trying to make? They were God's chosen, lost, then came back? No need for a parable there, that's not a lesson, just history. I agree there are other places to prove this as well. I just cant see any other reasonable or useful intrepretation of this passage. Bless...artS |
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