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381 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79524 | ||
Greetings, inhisname. You wrote: "I read your question with interest and wondered why you ask what a person must do to be saved." Well, the Philippian jailer asked the question (Acts 16:30). "Did Jesus tell the young ruler to do anything? Yes, but that was old Testament." Matthew is New Testament. "Jesus was emphasizing the necessity of obedience before the cross." No one has ever been declared forgiven by God by their obedience. Abraham, David and I were saved in exactly the same way: by faith in God's promised redemption (Romans 4). People were never, ever saved by their own sin-tainted works. "After the Cross the only thing you have to do is open your mouth and confess Jesus before men and you also must believe (Romans 10:9,10)." What do you make of "New Testament" passages like these: "Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord." --Hebrews 12:14 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." --1 Corinthians 6:9-11 'As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."' --1 Peter 1:14-16 You wrote: "You also have to tithe and pray, but that's all." Why do you add those two if works have nothing to do with it? You wrote: "We probably could be saved if we only knew that verse and none others. " Then why did God give us 13,000 other verses? We are saved by grace through faith, but a "faith" that does not demonstrate itself in obedience to Christ is not a genuine faith at all and does not save (James 2). One of the best books I have read on the subject of the holiness in the Christian life is J.C. Ryle's _Holiness_. You can access the chapter in which Ryle distinguishes between justification and sanctification here: http://www.tctwest.net/[TILDE]trinity/HolinessPages/Chapter2.htm You will need to replace the [TILDE] above with the little squiggly thing above the "Tab" ket (Study Bible Forum won't let me use the character in the post). I hope this will help to give a clearer perspective on these two important and inseparable aspects of the believer's salvation. --Joe! |
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382 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79562 | ||
"Oh, I thought before the Cross was Old Testament." To be technical about it, Jesus instituted the New Covenant at the Last Supper. "But maybe you know something else. Hebrews 9 shows the Old in force until the Cross." It shows that the system of sacrifices was still in force, but as the epistle clearly teaches elsewhere: "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." --Hebrews 10:4 No one has ever been saved by keeping the Law, because no one has ever kept it to the extent that God requires (with the exception of Christ, of course). Likewise, slitting Lambchop's throat at the temple in itself did not save anyone, but rather prefigured the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Savior of the Old Testament saints was not grazing out back with the rest of the flock. He was in heaven waiting for the appointed time to become a man and die for the sins of all of God's people of all ages. You wrote: "About the ruler, he wanted to go to heaven but walked away sad. Was that because he did not obey Jesus?" The Bible says: 'Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.' --Matthew 19:21-22 You wrote: "You quote passages of works and shouldn't." Why not? Am I mistaken that the writers of the New Testament command believers to DO things in light of their new nature? "I want you to be careful not to emphasize works." You mean like Paul does? "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." --Ephesians 2:10 "But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness; for bodily discipline is only of little profit, but godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." --1 Timothy 4:7-10 You wrote: " No true Christian will lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery." Are you saying that you never sin? "You talk that faith must do works to be genuine, but I was saved by a non-genuine faith?" No one is saved by a faith that is not genuine. The question is, according to the Bible, what shows our faith to be genuine? You wrote: "Forbid it that a working faith be needed." James wrote: 'What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.' --James 2:14-17 You wrote: "I just have faith which God gave me. I did nothing for salvation." Absolutely true. "So why tell people to obey?" Good question. Why do you think all the New Testament writers instruct Christians to obey? You wrote: "That takes the glory from God." Not at all. Our God-honoring works, while they do not qualify us for salvation, bring Him great glory. And that is why we exist, to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever. That is the very purpose for which God saved Christians. You wrote: "Do you not agree that Romans 10:9,10 are the most important verses in the Holy Scipture?" No, I believe that "all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (Yes, works again!) So much damage can be done by isolating a single verse or two and interpreting the rest of the Bible in light of what one assumes that brief statement means. We have seen many on this Forum quote Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 in every single post they submit, in order to support baptismal regeneration. People isolate James 2 to promote a salvation based on works. And, yes, people isolate John 3:16 to support a works-less theology. The fact is that the church needs the rest of the Bible to help us figure out what Romans 10:9-10 precisely means. Blessings to you! --Joe! |
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383 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79577 | ||
"You like to mention what God does and leave out the Philippians 2:13 which proves my point." The sentence which contains Philippians 2:13 begins in the previous verse. What does that verse say? To ignore the first half of Paul's comment is just as wrong as ignoring the second half. "About the works you like to emphasize..." Me, or the New Testament? You still haven't explained how you fit God telling Christians to do things (not merely to believe things, but to outwardly demonstrate that belief) into your theology. "God does them and not man." Really. So Paul is telling God to love my wife as Christ loved the church, and he commands God to abstain from sexual immorality, and Peter tells God to make my calling and election sure, and Peter tells God to live in subjection to the earthly authorities? God certainly gives the strength and accomplishes the sanctification, but Christians are active partners in the endeavor, just as Paul laid it out: "For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me." --Colossians 1:29 Who labors? Who strives? Paul. From Whom does the power come? God. "If they come, they come because God does them." Scriptural support for this? "No sense trying to do them." So when God tells me to refrain from sexual immorality, there is no sense in me trying to do that? You don't really pattern your life after taking God's commandments as meaningless, do you? "If they don't come then God didn't elect that person." Well, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean at all that God is obeying Himself in my life. What you do seem to be saying is that the works are the primary evidence of salvation, which is my point entirely. "Because the word obey means believe and God gives me the belief." Where do you get the idea that "obey" merely means "believe"? "People talk about works and baptism but you have to admit if they don't do them then God didn't want them done." Why do I have to admit that? Scripture does not teach that he is indifferent about our disobedience. And lest we forget, the command to be baptized came "after the Cross." You wrote: "He only cares about faith which He gives as a gift." The Bible teaches: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith WORKING through love." --Galatians 5:6 Sanctification is a work of God's free grace, but it most certainly involves the obedience that God brings about but that WE do. "But emphasizing passages about obedience puts pressure on me to do, then where is the glory to God?" In your faithful obedience to Him. God is not glorified by do-nothing "believers." Do you think that lazy, pew-sitting, disobedient churchgoers display God's glory? How is God glorified if we do not do anything? Did the apostles glorify God by inaction? "That's all I can write." I wish you would write, specifically addressing some of the Scriptures I have brought up. If you are right, you have to reasonably integrate the passages I have brought up into your works-less worldview. We can't pick and choose the parts of the Bible we are going to cling to. --Joe! |
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384 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79615 | ||
"You misunderstand. A Christian is known because of his actions. So obvious is that." And actions are works, are they not? "Does God save me before I do a work? Yes." Absolutely true. "Is salvation from first to last day by faith alone? Yes." Again, I agree. "Abraham got righteousness by faith alone. Where are the works there?" Resulting from his saving faith: "By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect " --Hebrews 11:8-10 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God." --James 2:21-23 "I think you are misunderstanding and caught." How so? "If I did the work then the glory would be to me." With all due respect, are we having a conversation here or not. This is StudyBibleForum.com, where we discuss the Bible. I have presented several passages which show that while God works in us, we do indeed do the works. You have not addressed a single one of those passages to show me how I am "misunderstanding and caught," whatever that means. --Joe! |
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385 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79694 | ||
"Don't you see that faith and works don't go together and faith without works is what saves?" Where in Scripture do you see that faith and works do not go together? Where do you see that a faith that doesn't result in works is what saves? "If I start teaching my family to work then I am telling them not to trust in God." That is 100 percent unbiblical. If you teach them to work in order to earn their way to heaven, that would indeed be telling them not to trust in God. But it would be a demonstration of faithlessness on your part to not train your children to be servants of God. True faith results in works. True faith leads to obedience. Anything else is a false, dead, non-saving faith. "He saves me by faith alone and by nothing else." Okay, but we are not saved by a faith that doesn't move us to obey. "He gives me faith and He renews me and He gives me repentance and he gives me obedience. " All true, but who does the obeying? IT ISN'T GOD. The love of Christ compels me. God is at work in me. God gets the glory for the renewed nature and the obedience. But God does not obey Himself; I obey God. "If you see me and think I am obeying I'm not. Like an invisible force field God is drawing me and controlling me." Scripture? "If works come then God is doing them." Scripture? "All I do is nothing, because God does it all." You know the question I am going to ask. --Joe! |
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386 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79696 | ||
"Read about the teaching of what is called election. Then you will see the truth." As anyone who has been on this Forum for any length of time, I adhere to the Reformation teaching on election. And the antinomianism you are espousing ain't it. Let me quote a few things that those who hold to election have written: "Question 76: What is repentance unto life? Answer: Repentance unto life is a saving grace, wrought in the heart of a sinner by the Spirit and Word of God, whereby, out of the sight and sense, not only of the danger, but also of the filthiness and odiousness of his sins, and upon the apprehension of God's mercy in Christ to such as are penitent, he so grieves for and hates his sins, as that he turns from them all to God, purposing and endeavoring constantly to walk with him in all the ways of new obedience." --Westminster Larger Catechism "If the Bible be true, it is certain that unless we are 'sanctified,' we shall not be saved. There are three things which, according to the Bible, are absolutely necessary to the salvation of every man and woman in Christendom. These three are, justification, regeneration, and sanctification. All three meet in every child of God: he is both born again, and justified, and sanctified. He that lacks any one of these three things is not a true Christian in the sight of God, and dying in that condition will not be found in heaven and glorified in the last day. "It is a subject which is peculiarly seasonable in the present day [which for the author was the latter 19th century]. Strange doctrines have risen up of late upon the whole subject of sanctification. Some appear to confound it with justification. Others fritter it away to nothing, under the pretence of zeal for free grace, and practically neglect it altogether. Others are so much afraid of "works" being made a part of justification, that they can hardly find any place at all for "works" in their religion...In a day like this, a calm examination of the subject, as a great leading doctrine of the Gospel, may be of great use to our souls." --J.C. Ryle, _Holiness_ 'If there be a man that can misuse the dignity of grace which Christ has given him, and pervert that into an argument for licentiousness, he is not to be found among us. He must be something less than man, fallen though man be, who would infer, from the fact that he has become a Son of God by God's free grace, that therefore he ought to live like a son of the devil; or, who should say, "Because God has ordained me to be holy, therefore I will be unholy." That were the strangest, oddest, most perverted, most abominable reasoning that ever could be used. I do not believe there is a creature living that could be capable of using it.' --Charles Spurgeon "God wants us to walk in obedience, not in victory. Obedience is oriented toward God; victory is oriented toward self. This may seem to be merely splitting hairs over semantics, but there is a subtle, self-centered attitude at the root of many of our difficulties with sin. Until we face this attitude and deal with it, we will not consistently walk in holiness." --Jerry Bridges, _The Pursuit of Holiness_ "The test of whether our faith is the kind of faith that justifies is whether it is the kind of faith that sanctifies." --John Piper So which one of the people above, all well-known believers in the doctrine of election, agrees with your anti-works theology? None, because it is incompatible. We were chosen for more than just a trip to heaven; we were chosen to glorify God in obedience to him. Read Hebrews 11 and try telling me that faith and works have nothing to do with each other. --Joe! |
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387 | What does this mean: James 2:21-23 ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79697 | ||
"What does this mean? Because I believe that all men are utterly sinful and God can't even look upon them, then I know that man can do no work." If you are talking about unregenerate man doing works that glorify God, you are right. Being born again is a change in our natures, however. "God is Sovereign and He can't be resisted, correct?" He is resisted all the time. Every time I sin, I resist God. No one is successful at thwarting God's decree, however "Since Abraham did work then it must no be his strength or will." Not his strength, but definitely his will. "So God is the cause and gets the credit. This verse talks about faith and works. Ephesians says faith is the gift of God." And goes on to say that we were saved for the PURPOSE of works. Philippians 2:13 says God does the works in me. Does it? "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." --Philippians 2:12-13 Who obeys? Who works out their salvation in fear and trembling? God works in us, but the result is that WE will and WE work for His good pleasure. --Joe! |
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388 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79766 | ||
"You call me antinomian? Like I'm against God's law? What law do you believe in? I don't see John Piper in the Bible. I don't see Jerry Bridges in the Bible. I don't see Charles Spurgeon in the Bible. I don't see J.C. Ryle in the Bible. I don't see Westminister Catechism in the Bible." And I don't see inhisname in the Bible either. So the question is whether the above mentioned individuals or you are accurately portraying the Biblical view. "I quoted Bible and don't think I should be attacked by these people." Don't panic. Since all of the people I quoted, with the exception of Bridges and Piper, are at home with the Lord now, I don't think any of them are attacking you. "I gave you Paul." You gave me one verse of Paul, which I contend you misunderstand. I have given you a lot more of Paul than you have given me (as well as several other inspired authors of Scripture), and you have ignored every single passage, choosing instead to repeat your same mistaken assertions. "I don't need writings of man to define what I believe." But you are in need of teachers to help you understand Scripture better. Your claim that the doctrine of election completely eliminates our obedience is simply false, as the authors and theologians and preachers that I quoted adequately demonstrate. And if you take the "all I need is me, the Holy Spirit, and my Bible approach," you again are in error. God gave you the church and its teachers for a reason. --Joe! |
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389 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79767 | ||
"You call me antinomian? Like I'm against God's law? What law do you believe in? I don't see John Piper in the Bible. I don't see Jerry Bridges in the Bible. I don't see Charles Spurgeon in the Bible. I don't see J.C. Ryle in the Bible. I don't see Westminister Catechism in the Bible." And I don't see inhisname in the Bible either. So the question is whether the above mentioned individuals or you are accurately portraying the Biblical view. "I quoted Bible and don't think I should be attacked by these people." Don't panic. Since all of the people I quoted, with the exception of Bridges and Piper, are at home with the Lord now, I don't think any of them are attacking you. "I gave you Paul." You gave me one verse of Paul, which I contend you misunderstand. I have given you a lot more of Paul than you have given me (as well as several other inspired authors of Scripture), and you have ignored every single passage, choosing instead to repeat your same mistaken assertions. "I don't need writings of man to define what I believe." But you are in need of teachers to help you understand Scripture better. Your claim that the doctrine of election completely eliminates our obedience is simply false, as the authors and theologians and preachers that I quoted adequately demonstrate. And if you take the "all I need is me, the Holy Spirit, and my Bible approach," you again are in error. God gave you the church and its teachers for a reason. --Joe! |
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390 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79768 | ||
"The change looks like works is God's workmanship." Does it hurt your wrists to twist the Scriptures that much? Where do we see anything in Ephesians 2 that "looks like works, smells like works, but isn't works"? You are doing anything but glorifying God by your statements. --Joe! |
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391 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79770 | ||
"Christians can't sin and they can't lose their salvation." I sin every day. 'But now you say, "train your children to be servants of God." A true understanding of Scripture shows this is folly.' Folly? Folly...where do we see a great deal of discussion of wisdom and folly? Oh, I know: Proverbs. "Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it." --Proverbs 22:6 So who is the foolish one for suggesting that we train our children to be servants of God? Let's see if any of the other thousands of Bible verses support such a "foolish" idea... "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." --Joshua 24:15 "These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates." --Deuteronomy 6:6-9 "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." --Ephesians 6:4 Yes, what a fool I am! :) "But when given a new heart, the Holy Spirit did this, then reading brings understanding." But such understanding is not automatic. There are plenty of Christians who disagree on what the Bible teaches. Both have the Holy Spirit, but they both can't be right. "The truly born again can't DO sin." So you are sinless? --Joe! |
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392 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79778 | ||
Obviously we are not on the same page, as you and I disagree completely on the place works has in the life of the believer. --Joe! |
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393 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79779 | ||
' "With all due respect?" Have I not discussed the Bible? Have I not referenced Bible?' You have mentioned Romans 10:9. You have mentioned Philippians 2:13. You have mentioned Ephesians 2:8-9. You came to conclusions about those passages which do not fit with the passages I have given in our discussion. You have not taken a single one of them and explained how the passages telling Christians to obey aren't REALLY telling Christians to obey. 'You did not answer my question "Abraham got righteousness by faith alone. Where are the works there?" by saying "Resulting from his saving faith". That means nothing to me, maybe you can explain it better.' Okay, I will try: One wrong approach is: faith plus works results in justification Another wrong approach is: faith results in justification and no works The biblical approach is: faith results in justification AND works "You cannot tell me that I'm saved without a work from first to last and then start telling me it's all about works." When did I say it is ALL about works? To say that you are wrong in asserting the Christian life is a life without obedience is not to say that it is all about works. "If you now expect a disciple to obey then you expect works." And God expects works! What did Jesus say to His own disciples? "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." --John 14:15 'And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."' --Matthew 28:18-20 So what are disciples supposed to do? OBEY God's commandments. How can we do that? By FAITH and by the power of God's Spirit working in us. Jesus clearly expected his disciples to DO something besides sitting around and thinking to themselves, "I believe; I really do!" If you do not obey Jesus, you do not love him as you should. "My understanding of Romans is that salvation is by faith only until death. I don't think you mean to suggest different." No, I do not mean to suggest anything different. What I mean to say is that true faith in Christ results in our obedience to him. It is the God-honoring EVIDENCE that we are truly His. Lack of obedience to Christ is an indcator that someone does not have faith in Christ. --Joe! |
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394 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79806 | ||
Heh. --Joe! |
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395 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79859 | ||
I think what he means is that you disregarded all the Calvinists I cited because they are "not in the Bible," and then you voice your support of Calvin (or, rather, what you hold to be Calvin), despite the fact that Calvin is "not in the Bible," either. He was pointing out your inconsistency. --Joe! |
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396 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79860 | ||
"If theologians and authors and preachers accurately teach faith only I'll listen." The Reformers, to whom we owe the restoration of "faith alone" to the church, spoke out vehemently against your views. I am talking about Martin Luther and John Calvin. "Isn't that what Ephesians 2 says? I think so." Well, you think wrong. --Joe! |
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397 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79861 | ||
"In the Calvinistic way, I understand that God made me alive, raised me up, seated me, brought me near. Am I closer to Him? Yes. Did I do it that I should boast? No. So it looks to man like works, but isn't." What church do you attend that teaches election and no resulting obedience? --Joe! |
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398 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79862 | ||
"I did not mean to say you were a fool. " I am not bothered by that, so let's stick to the subject. Do the verses I quoted specifically tell us to train our children or not? --Joe! |
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399 | pagan influence? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 82060 | ||
"Please explain where ‘manifold are the errors’." I think Emmaus did an adequate job regarding the Holy Spirit. Let's look at Jesus. In Paul's epistle to Titus, who is the Savior? Titus 1:2, 2:10, 3:4 says it's God. Titus 1:3, 2:13, and 3:6 says its Jesus. How do we resolve this dilemma? "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great GOD and Savior, Christ JESUS" --Titus 2:13 Then we can flip on over to Hebrews: 'But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.' --Hebrews 1:8 There is a good starting point, with more to follow... --Joe! |
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400 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 87755 | ||
"I am neither 7th day, nor JW, nor HWA follower, I am follower of Jesus Christ and I worship and bow my knee to Him and the Father, from whom all life flows." You quote from Herbert W. Armstrong far more than you do Jesus Christ. You wrote: "We BECAME living souls, the Bible does not say that we have souls, or that we were given souls, it clearly states that we BECAME souls or nephesh or living creature, air-breathing creatures." Quoting from Jesus, not Armstrong: "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." --Matthew 10:28 If there is no body-soul distinction in the Bible, how is man able to destroy the body but not the soul, but God is able to destroy both? Quite apparently, "picking up my Bible" would lead an individual to the conclusion that Jesus taught that the body and the soul are two distinct things. I wish you a clearer understanding of His word. --Joe! |
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