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1421 | Faith apart from reading the Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Reformer Joe | 20468 | ||
Steve: And I repeat: your use of the word "true" is an improper one. The revelation of Scripture may be INCOMPLETE regarding all Jesus said and did (John 21:25), but saying something is "more true" by definition means that the other thing is "more false." In Jesus dwells all of the fulness of the Godhead. We cannot say the same of the Bible. But both are equally true revelations. And I repeat: do we have Jesus in the flesh among us now? Therefore, where do we get everything reliable we DO know about Jesus? The Bible for us is the fullest revelation available to us, simply because Jesus is in Heaven, not holding press conferences on CNN. If I am wrong, tell me ONE thing you know about the revelation of Jesus Christ that is not found in the Bible. --Joe! |
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1422 | Joe, how do you know truth? | Rom 10:17 | Reformer Joe | 20491 | ||
Bill: You wrote: "Human nature is born fallen and should not be considered reality." The fallenness of human nature was what I was referring to. The reality is that humanity is not basically good nor morally neutral. Most other religious viewpoints (and many claiming to be Christian) do not agree with that. Therefore, the Bible does accurately reflect the observable reality of the depravity of man. As far as the horrible teaching you received, I understand completely. It's very much the same garbage that my wife heard through her formative years. And while they may have cited a Scripture passage to support their false teachings, it certainly would have been out of context. No one with a working, thinking KNOWLEDGE of Scripture would allow themselves to believe prosperity doctrine, for example. If they did, then poor, shipwrecked, beated, and imprisoned Paul was just to blind to realize the bountiful Christian life he was missing! That is why I am so adamant that we be using our brains when we study Scripture. Too many people substitute skimming or light reading for studying and probing with an alert mind the depth and wonder of the Bible, or else they try and find verses which support their pre-conceived notions or wishes, ignoring the passages which rule out their views. What happens in such situations is that any kooky idea that pops into their heads suddenly becomes a revelation of the Holy Spirit! After all, they couldn't have some up with such an interpretation on their own, could they? ;) By the way, I would be interested to know which verse they used to support being slain in the Spirit... In any case, may I suggest that you do not err toward the opposite extreme of rejecting any teaching which may challenge your views as you hold them now. For just as teachers can be false, so can our own interpretations of Scripture. I have worked in countercult apologetics for a decade now. Trust me when I say I know what it is like to dialogue with people who unquestionably accept what any church official says to them. However, I have seen the other side of the coin where people have the attitude of "this is what this passage means to ME" or "the Spirit has shown me the truth of what I believe, so that settles it." Such people make the error of refusing any correction whatsoever. The Word properly preached is a corrective for false thoughts, theology, and to point out to us things we never even have thought about in our own studies. Likewise, a thorough familiarity with Scripture will help us be discerning when confronted with teaching, which may or not be in error. That's why God gives us this dynamic, this "checks-and-balances system" so that we do not go to either extreme: 1. uncritically accepting everything from the pulpit or 2. pridefully thinking that we come to all knowledge and truth as individuals in isolation from the church. Neither practice is biblical. --Joe! |
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1423 | Faith apart from reading the Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Reformer Joe | 20492 | ||
Steve: You wrote: "Please provide scripture to back up your assertion that the Bible is on a par with Jesus who is the 'image of God'." Please point out to me where I made that assertion. I do believe in the complete sufficiency of Scripture as a guide for the Christian life. Of course we are indwelt and taught by the Holy Spirit. I never one suggested that we do not have the Spirit of Christ. However, He works in conjunction with his Word. Since you already acknowledge that the "still, small voice" is not found in the Bible, how did you know that it was not your own eagerness, your own sinfulness and pride, or just something that didn't quite agree with your digestive system? In addition, if, as you assert, the "still, small voice" is indeed described IN THE BIBLE, how can you make the claim that it is something beyond the Bible? The Bible contains all we need to know as believers to direct our steps in a Godly manner. It is the Holy Spirit which enables us to understand what has been revealed to us about Christ in the Bible. There is nothing that the Holy Spirit teaches us about the Father or the Son that is not already contained in Scripture or that can be logically deduced from Scripture. So, please, Steve, give me one SPECIFIC example of something you know about Christ Himself that is not found, mentioned, or described in Scripture. --Joe! |
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1424 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40087 | ||
Great...now that song will be in my head all day long! :) --Joe! |
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1425 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40088 | ||
Oh, please! God may have utilized a silly, blasphemous musical to evoke in a person more interest in the person and nature of Jesus Christ, and subsequently that person received the Jesus of the Bible in faith. However, that does not mean that God approves of the horribly unbiblical portrayal of His Son, nor is anyone a Christian for putting his faith in the "Superstar." Are you really saying that anything that results in someone's conversion is good in itself? --Joe! |
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1426 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40089 | ||
Oh, please! God may have utilized a silly, blasphemous musical to evoke in a person more interest in the person and nature of Jesus Christ, and subsequently that person received the Jesus of the Bible in faith. However, that does not mean that God approves of the horribly unbiblical portrayal of His Son, nor is anyone a Christian for putting his faith in the "Superstar." Are you really saying that anything that results in someone's conversion is good in itself? --Joe! |
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1427 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40090 | ||
I would encourage anyone to read the Gospel of Matthew and open themselves up to be touched by the Holy Spirit and not believe the soft-headedness of some people and the way that they so desire to portray Jesus as a mere, weak human being...if we listened to people like LimeJuice, we would insist that Jesus is whomever we wanted Him to be, rather than the Lord and Savior that the Bible reveals Him to be. --Joe! |
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1428 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40091 | ||
Zzzzz... Think clearly, please! Where is Radioman when you need him? :) --Joe! |
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1429 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40095 | ||
Gee, I thought out relationship was brought about this way: "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation." --Romans 5:6-10 It's funny that you mention "walking and talking" with Jesus. Do you have any room in your relationship for OBEDIENCE to the Son of God? --Joe! "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" --Romans 5:1 |
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1430 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40096 | ||
It must have been something you ate, because the Holy Spirit works consistently with and in His Word, the Bible. Warm, fuzzy feelings are not always the Holy Spirit; and when a program doesn't present Jesus as the died and risen Savior and Lord of all, you can rest assured that the Holy Spirit wasn't in it. Also rest assured that I realize my post here will not convince you in the slightest, any more than do the similar statements that I make to Mormons coming to my door saying that they know the Book of Mormon is true because of a "burning in the bosom." Until you stop letting experientialism rule our understanding of who God is, you will be in the same boat as the cults. It is not a question of being a genius, but God does not call us to be "idiots for Jesus," either. --Joe! |
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1431 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40117 | ||
So tell us how you KNOW what you experienced was of the Holy Spirit. --Joe! |
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1432 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40118 | ||
I said nothing about the love of Jesus. What I am saying is that the Jesus of the musical is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Why is it so hard for you to see that? --Joe! |
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1433 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40120 | ||
God the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of human beings with and through His revealed Word, not apart from it. Take a step back and realize how silly it is for you to say that someone is having a God-ordained revelation from a song recorded by a group of people so chemically impaired that they couldn't even sing the words of the song. You are a prime example of what the problem is within evangelical Christianity. God calls us to clear thinking, and you are calling us to "experience the Spirit" from works produced by people who HATE Jesus Christ. --Joe! |
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1434 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40121 | ||
Love, love, love. Maybe I will go put on "All You Need is Love," another song sung by a Christ-hater, and really "see God in it"... No wonder non-Christians accuse us of turning off our brains... --Joe! |
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1435 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40122 | ||
Are you justified though Jesus Christ the Superstar, or Jesus Christ the Son of God? T fact is that you have not shown us one shred of evidence from the Bible that supports the false Christ presented in the musical. The warm, fuzzy "truth doesn't matter...let's just LOVE" attitude you keep putting forward does not jibe with the Holy Scriptures. Rest assured that I am not attaching you, but I am most definitely attacking your wrong-headedness in trying to put God's blessing on anything and everything that makes even the most vague reference to the Bible. Did you like _The Last Temptation of Christ_ as well? --Joe! |
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1436 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40289 | ||
Would you say the Holy Spirit would ever reveal Christ through... ...public acts of sexual intercourse? ...a disgruntled worker on a killing spree? ...Islam? ...human sacrifice? ...the Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door? ...a musical specifically written to portray Jesus as a confused human being rather than the way the Bible depicts Him to be? It does not matter how much the foolish people who put on Jesus Christ, Superstar may love Jesus. The content itself is anti-Christian, and it simply seems that you lack both discernment and teachability if you refurse to listen to the number of wise brothers and sisters on this forum who have pointed out to you exactly why the Jesus of the musical is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. But, hey, you FELT it, so it must be true! --Joe! |
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1437 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40290 | ||
John Lennon knew nothing of Love. John Lennon considered himself "bigger than Jesus." --Joe! |
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1438 | RELIGION HOMEWORK HELP | Rom 12:2 | Reformer Joe | 40291 | ||
Well, why didn't you go see _Last Temptation_? I am so sure you would have been blessed by the dreamed love scene between Jesus and Mary Magdalene! After all, God probably really put his blessing on it! Your thinking is muddled and dishonors the Lord, LimeJuice. I suggest that you take some time to consider and dwell upon the holiness of Christ and of God. You and your made-up blessings make God a liar, and you refuse correction, so you go off into your "Christian Candyland" while we worship the real God of Scripture. --Joe! |
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1439 | Visit other churches? | Rom 16:16 | Reformer Joe | 34234 | ||
I noticed the comments you had made. Without a doubt see the "shopping-mall" mentality of American evangelicals, with some even having a short list of churches that they choose from each week depending on their whims. While I do not deny that their are Christian churches that vary in their approach to liturgy and style, one should not be in the "what's-in-it-for-me" modewhen choosing where to worship, but rather asking the important questions of "Where is God's Word preached?" and "where can I best serve?" Self-centered religion is the hallmark of the American evangelical scene in the early 21st century. I do not see as much of the "denominational myopia" that you appear to see. Of course, members of denominations have loyalty to those denominations, but I don't know if that translates to excluding other evangelicals from any fellowship whatsoever. In fact, having grown up in non-denominational churches, I have seen my share of anti-denominational bias as well. As for the denomination of which I am now a part, I wouldn't be attending it if I did not agree with most of its understanding of Scripture. As people who have read at least three of my posts can readily tell you, I adhere to a Reformed understanding of salvation. And, granted, it may be that there are some in my church that "look down their noses" at Arminians; however, it is possible to consider another communion/denomination to be wrong in some very important areas without using those non-essential points of doctrine to withhold the hand of fellowship. While this problem may exist, I consider the other side of the "bipolar" assessment to be a far more pervasive problem in our churches today. --Joe! |
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1440 | Visit other churches? | Rom 16:16 | Reformer Joe | 34264 | ||
Charis: Actually, the non-denominational background that I was raised in is quite non-charismatic. They are just very congregational in their form of church government and steeped in the dispensationalism that flows forth like water from my neck of the woods. They are most definitely cessationists in regards to the more sensational gifts. Therefore, non-denominational does not mean Pentecostal in all circumstances. I am not suggesting that there is NO denominational bias out there, by the way. However, I do not come across a great number of individuals claiming inerrancy in their interpretations of Scripture (despite the fact that I certainly come across quite a few on here, where am modem gives one all authority in all things). I certainly hold that I very well could be wrong in aspects of my theology (and probably am), but it certainly is going to take a lot more than someone merely asserting that I am wrong to convince me of my error(s). My own mother-in-law would probably fall into the camp of the "less-orderly" saints, and I certainly see her faith in Jesus. That doesn't prevent theological disagreement in certain areas, however, that probably would not make us comfortable attending the same congregations. As far as whether the focus is on the Word or the Spirit, the two are in conjunction. While I hold that no one's interpretation of Scripture is free from error of any kind, I also do not hold the understanding of God's Word to be some up-in-the-air guessing game. I would say that I place my focus on the Spirit as revealed in the Word. After all, how do we know what is truly a work of the Spirit unless we gauge it by the other gift of God to the church, the Bible? Actually, about five years ago we did visit one of those "less-orderly" churches, where there was a praise-and-worship band with the drums and guitar and all of that dynamic stuff (not bad in itself, just setting the scene). The congragation was quite excited about it all. Then the pastor came out in his mustard-yellow jacket and began to display his Bible, alternately lifting it up in the air and clutching it to his chest, and yet never quite managing to open it. He did speak, however, about all the great things that God was planning on doing in the church, how God was really moving and shaking things. The service ended with the congregation taking money out of their wallets and rushing to place it in a huge, mountainous pile on the altar as the whole escapade was accompanied by the band. I know that this is a rather extreme example, but every one of the people who regularly attend that church were completely convinced of "the Spirit working" that Sunday morning. That is the problem when we forget the fact that the Holy Spirit primarily works through the proclamation of the message of Scripture. Divorce the Word from the service and there IS no service. The issue I have with such churches is whether my interpretation is inerrant or not, but whether or not the teachers of the church participate in the hiding of God's own message from the congregation. --Joe! |
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