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1 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243633 | ||
What is the argument for your position,? Is it that a person cannot have all these experiences and not be saved? Or that a person cannot have anyone of these experiences and not be saved? Or is there one in particular that he cannot have and not be saved? All, some or one in particular? At any rate the premise of your argument seems to be "All who have had all, some or one of these experiences are saved." Which one is it and what is your Scripture that it is so? I want to keep the passage before us so we won't lose sight of what we are studying: Heb. 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb. 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb. 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. As of yet you've given no logical argument of how you deduce from the above passage the conclusion "A person can lose his salvation." I know a believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but what is the proof from Scripture that only saved people can "partake" of any benefits of the presence of the Holy Spirit? |
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2 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243630 | ||
You have yet to logically show how one gets from the express word of God in Hebrews 6:4-6 to the conclusion "a person can lose his salvation." Your argument seems to be that a person cannot be enlightened without being saved, that is, "All who are enlightened are saved." Can this proposition be supported by Scripture? This proposition too awaits to be proven by Scripture. For your convenience I repost the verses: 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. |
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3 | Earth's fate | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243618 | ||
Prov. 9:10, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." I follow Gordon H. Clark in his defense of the Gospel, not VanTil. Although they are both called presuppositionalist, their apologetics is quite different. Clark's seminal book on the subject is "A Christian View of Men and Things." http://www.trinitylectures.org/christian-view-of-men-and-things-the-works-of-gordon-haddon-clark-volume-book-p-211.html |
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4 | Free will, or ? | Rom 9:16 | Lionstrong | 243490 | ||
Psa. 65:4 How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You To dwell in Your courts. We will be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Your holy temple. Thanks for you thoughts, Doc. |
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5 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243485 | ||
Someone asked why are there so few posts on SBF now-a-days. This may be an example of the reason: not allowing open, honest discussion of difficult issues in God's Word. I can see the restriction if we became ugly with each other, but that hasn't happened so far. Well it said that it's a temporary restriction. Maybe they'll lift it in a couple of days. |
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6 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243481 | ||
Here is the verses: 4 "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." Not only is the sentence "a person can lose his salvation" not here, not even the word salvation here. Since your assertion is not expressly given here, you must have deduced it from the above verses. Can you show how you logically got from the above statements to "a person can lose his salvation"? |
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7 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243478 | ||
I read Hebrews 6 and found no verse saying "a person can lose his salvation." | ||||||
8 | family in heaven | Rev 21:4 | Lionstrong | 243378 | ||
I don't know how stressed we will be concerning the execution of God's just punishment of sinners even on those who are our near kin, however, I do not think ignorance is a solution. Maybe it is sufficient to know that every tear (for those relatives not saved?) will be wiped away. | ||||||
9 | Naming Created Things | Gen 2:19 | Lionstrong | 242054 | ||
I like your answer, Doc. Sorry I didn't respond to it when it was written. Thanks for the answer, though. | ||||||
10 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226882 | ||
John 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. Ed, You seem to be defining believing as simply knowing the truth. That’s not the definition I gave. Saving faith is not simply knowing (understanding) the truth about Christ. It is also assenting to that truth. It is knowing the truth AND accepting it as the truth. I know the doctrines of evolution, but that does not me a believer of evolution. I do not believe evolution even though I know its teachings. James does not contract Paul. He does not teach that we’re saved by believing and doing something good. In the James verse the only object of faith that’s attributed to the demons is monotheism. While believing that the God of Abraham is monotheistic is a good thing, such faith will not save you from the condemnation of His Law. But by believing that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God you will have life in his name. (John 20:30, 31) Further, Jesus did not die for demons. “[W]hoever believes in Him shall not perish...” is not addressed to devils; it’s address to man. |
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11 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226881 | ||
“Believe is often used in the Bible to include belief and obedience.” “On a side note, just because God gives us something as a gift does not mean that He can not require something of us to receive the gift.” I’m sorry DD. I read you answer and all I see is a contradiction of the key verses you quote. In one breath you agree with Rom. 3:28 and Eph. 2:8,9, and in another breath you contradict them saying, “believing plus....”, instead of grace alone by believing alone. At best there is a confusion of justification (salvation by believing alone) and sanctification (the results and benefits of salvation by believing alone, one of which is obedience). At worst it’s a flurry of words that still mean that we contribute to our salvation by believing and some kind of external obedience (works) to God’s commands. The gift of salvation includes the gift of believing (Ehp 2:8,9). To say that God requires something of us to receive the gift is the same as the heresy of meriting the merits of Christ. B. B. Warfield was referenced somewhere in this thread. I recommend you read his discussion on what the Bible teaches on justification by faith alone. I think you'll find him very helpful in understanding the difference between justification and sanctification. |
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12 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226848 | ||
What do you mean by trust, Beja? | ||||||
13 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226847 | ||
DD So, to believe means to have faith "conjoined with obedience to Christ." So, one is saved from the wrath of God by having faith conjoined with obedience to Christ. How is this believing different from salvation by good works? Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Acts 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." |
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14 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226844 | ||
"scriptural faith involves trust upon the work of Christ and not merely acceptance of the doctrines of the work of Christ." I guess I don't know what you mean by trust. If I assent to (sorry for the previous misspellings) and understand that Jesus is the Son of God, the secon Person of the Trinity; if I assent to and understand that God raised Him from the dead after He paid the believer's debt on the cross; if I assent to and understand that, "...he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."(John 5:24), how am I not trusting in the work of Christ? |
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15 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226837 | ||
Unless you're saying that the Bible teaches that we are saved by believing and good works, I don't disagree with you. There's not much difference between believeing and trusting. Both are mental activities and not external works of God's good and holy Law. Because of the effect of indwelling sin, however, we can never know if we have "complete confidence." And the Lord does not require complete confidence. The gift of believing, even if it is the size of a mustard seed is sufficient for salvation. We should not be content with a little faith, however. We should continually grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Chirst Jesus. 1 Pet. 3:18 |
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16 | What does the word"believe"involve | John 3:16 | Lionstrong | 226836 | ||
Let me see if I understand you, Ed. Are you saying that the James passage requires us to define believe as works? If James "dispels" to believe for salvation as an internal mental activity of accepting God's word as true, then we are saved by external good works. So, please clarify. You reference James to help us understand what believe means. So, does believe also mean doing the good works of God's law? If this is not what you're saying, please clarify |
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17 | Jesus is God | Mark 1:3 | Lionstrong | 226246 | ||
This verse in Mark is an obvious reference to Jesus. Matt. 3:3 says, “For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'"” Isaiah was referring to John the Baptist when he prophesied that someone would prepare a way for the LORD. John was sent to make a path ready for the Lord. Now, this is a quote from Isa. 40:3, and the word “Lord” is translated from the proper name of God, YHWH, Jehovah. So here the way is being made for Jesus who is Jehovah, the Lord God. It’s clear in the context of Isaiah that the way is being made for God, but we might miss that when we read it here in the Gospels. A certain group of Witnesses do. |
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18 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | Lionstrong | 208196 | ||
Rom 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. All babies born after the fall are not innocent. We are born sinners, made that way by the fall of Adam. This is not true of Eve. She was not proud. She was tricked. Gen 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. According to God, her sin was not pride, but it was doing what God had expressly forbidden her to do. Gen 3:11 And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The Scriptures may not answer all the questions but the Fall cannot be attributed to any moral flaw in man as he was created by God. The Sciptures say that Eve transgressed the command because she was tricked, not because she was proud. The Scriptures teaches that Mankind were made sinners through one man's disobedience. Therefore, Eve was not a sinner. In other words, we, born after the Fall and because of it, sin because we are sinners. This is not true of Adam and Eve. They BECAME sinners WHEN they sinned, not before they sinned. |
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19 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | Lionstrong | 208189 | ||
Was Eve tempted to sin or was she tricked? Gen 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- Rom 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. As I understand Scripture, any view that make man morally flawed before the fall contradicts Scripture. Col 3:10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him-- If man is the image of God (1 Cor 11:7, Gen 1:26) and If God's purpose is to renew that image which was marred by the fall, then that image cannot have been morally flawed at creation, else we are being restored to a morally flawed state. |
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20 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | Lionstrong | 208185 | ||
Azure, Did you mean to used the word "misleading"? Are you saying that Eve was trying to mislead Satan? |
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