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361 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75131 | ||
I see a little mistake in your post. "I doubt that anyone else on this forum believes as I do, but there you have it." I think that the rapture of God’s saints and the wrath of God will happen on the same day. As soon as we are lifted up to safety the angels of God will start to pour out the trumpet judgments. 2 Thes. 1:6-10 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. Verse 10 gives us the time of this recovery and wrath; glorified in his saints is the rapture or taking out. It all happened on the same day, just as Jesus said. Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Luke 17:28-29 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. The timing of Lot’s departure was so close that he could probably feel the heat on his backside. It would be interesting if someone would do a series on those left behind in Sodom! I think where people get mixed up is when they confuse the vengeance of Satan through man with the wrath of God. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. I don’t believe that the wrath of God starts until Revelation chapter 8 when the 7th seal is opened. CDBJ |
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362 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75134 | ||
Hello John, I think another portion of scripture backs up what you have suggested. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. At the time of harvest there is a process where the wheat was separated from the chaff. It was a difficult process and the wheat got pretty well beat up in the process but it sure separated the good stuff from the bad stuff and there was no mistaking the good from the bad from then on. The chaff was segregated into bundles to be burned and the wheat was stored safely in the barn. Once the wheat was secured the workers went back out and set fire to what was left and the fields were made ready for the next season. The whole process was a period called the time of harvest. The coming of Christ, 2 Thes. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, The word translated coming, is the word PAROUSIA in the original, and it isn’t a verb but a noun, it is an event. The event starts with what we know as the rapture and continues up to the time that God sets up his kingdom here on earth. Just like the first coming of Christ consisted of an allotted number of years to finish his work so his second coming will be an event which will consist of many different actions in a given time period. That what I believe, CDBJ |
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363 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75190 | ||
Hello disciplerami, the answer to your question is no I don’t think they are. A good source of information as far as a helpful commentary on the book of Revelation can be found free on the Internet. It is hard to find someone who has broken down the Revelation so that it has any semblance of something that can be clearly understood. Check out the following. revelationcommentary.org.url and www.solagroup.org This has helped me a lot. CDBJ |
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364 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75191 | ||
Hello disciplerami; The answer to your question is no I don’t think they are the same. A good source of information as far as a helpful commentary on the book of Revelation can be found free on the Internet. It is hard to find someone who has broken down the Revelation so that it has any semblance of something that can be clearly understood. Check out the following. revelationcommentary.org.url also http://www.solagroup.org/ I don’t know that I understand what you are trying to say here, “My understanding is that the fiery judgment will happen at his second coming, and this world will be toast.” Are you assuming that this is the end of the earth or what? CDBJ |
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365 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75244 | ||
No true believer will have to suffer ANY of the wrath of God! For the pretrib. theory to work, they say that we will be removed before the tribulation takes place because I Thes. 5:9 is very explicit, which I agree, we will not suffer God’s wrath! What people fail to understand is that everything that takes place in Matthew 24 and all of the seals, up to the 6th seal in Revelation, are the workings of mankind under the guise of Satan’s man, the antichrist, and his cohorts, it is NOT the wrath of God! 1 Thes. 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Coupling that previous verse with I Thess. 3:4 presents a problem with the pretrib. position. 1 Thes. 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. Believers are going to think some strange thing is happening to them when the tribulation hits because they weren’t supposed to be here for that problem, according to what we have been taught, and I myself was of that camp. Believers in general are doing the exact opposite of what Christ told them along with Paul and Peter, we are being deceived into believing that we won’t be here during the beginning of sorrow and the great tribulation. Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. Peter affirms to us that it will happen and notice that right after the warning it speaks of the glory that will be revealed, that’s the rapture. It is my firm position that the wrath of God will come on the very same day that we are caught up into glory. It will be the most spectacular sight and event that this world has ever experienced; not some secret removal of God's elect! Every one alive on the face of the earth will see God coming back in a blaze of glory when he dispels the darkness, that will be enshroud the earth on that day. The earth will be encircled by darkness and then by some miraculous mean God will draw the cloud cover away like a scroll snapping back and there in all His brilliance will be Almighty God along with his angels of fire. We, the believers, will be looking up and praising God for cutting our persecution short and coming to our rescue. The unbelievers will be looking down for a cave or a den of rocks to hide in, to try and get away from His presence and hide from His face. Then there will be the loud sound of a trumpet, that will likely shake the earth, and believers from every tongue and people and nation will be changed in a moment into thier new bodies and will rise up to meet the Lord in the air. After we rise up, and the commotion stops, there will be dead silence for one half hour where everything will be still and then Revelation chapter 8 will resume with the beginning of God’s wrath. God’s wrath starts with fire, and gets continually worse. This is a short rendition of the way I see it, If you want chapter and verse to back it all up, peace by peace, let me know and I will more then glad to share it. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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366 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75254 | ||
The ones that will suffer the wrath of God are going to be those that are left after the rapture takes place, with the exception of the 144,000 that have the seal of God in their forehead. 2 Thes. 1:4-10 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; Don’t confuse the tribulation that Paul speaks of here with the tribulation that we will face. The tribulation that is referred to here is explained in the following verse and it’s a vengeance of fire from God. 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. The grafiting back in, that will take place, of the Jews is from the 144,000 that are protected in the Rev.7. The times of the gentile will be over, just as Paul talked of in Romans. Rev. 7:2-4 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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367 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75359 | ||
It was supposed to go to Searcher, sorry about that! To many buttons for this old guy I guess? | ||||||
368 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75360 | ||
I am still mixed up! I put Searcher's name on it but it was supposed to be addressed to you so I was right in sending it to you but I put the wrong name on it. P.S. lets start Over!! I sure am glad the Lord is in control. CDBJ |
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369 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 77746 | ||
Hi Hank, I think that a lot of what we try to convey on this forum is like talking to a dead person they can’t hear a thing that you say because they are dead. 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. How far does God’s plan of salvation go with grace, will it overlook UNDIVIDED faith in Jesus and accepts a little self-righteousness from one trying to keep the law? I guess maybe grace is no more grace? CDBJ |
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370 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 77754 | ||
Greeting Hank, you talk about how sad and foolish people can be and that they don’t understand grace. Grace is like getting a ride on the space shuttle, only the shuttle is Jesus and one must be buckled in tight. Those that don’t understand grace and aren’t trusting on Jesus death on the cross, are trying to make sure they are covering all the possibilities. They in fact don’t think what Jesus did is enough, so they remove themselves from the shuttle, that’s going 17,000 mph, so they can help push with their puny works of baptism or keeping the law or what ever else is in addition to faith. Galatians 1:6-7 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Faith is staying buckled in the seat and relying only on Jesus who is able to accomplish what he says he will do. 2 Tim. 1:12 (B) for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. CDBJ |
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371 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 81915 | ||
Hi Hank, is sounds like someone got your feathers ruffled up a might. I find that hard to do since it is the WOF, Worlds, outrageous, fakes, that is doing it. Ephes. 6:11-19 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; Have a good night, CDBJ |
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372 | No need of proof? Faith in faith? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 81916 | ||
Hi searcher56, your thoughts on Heb. 11:1 Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It’s interesting to note that the word substance comes to us from the word HUPOSTASIS, which actually means making real to our experience. The next word that jumps out at us is evidence taken from ELEGCHOS, which is proof. The true believer in Jesus as God’s savior for man actually has the proof, because they have been given the down payment, which is God the Holy Spirit himself. It’s kind of ironic when it comes to being one of God’s chosen ones. Have you ever heard the saying, seeing is believing? It works just the opposite in God’s kingdom, believing is seeing. Once a person puts their trust and faith in Jesus and the work He did to save them the Bible mysteriously clears up in understanding. 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The word mystery, Ephes. 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: The word mystery is a transliteration from the Koine Greek MUSTERION, which was a word coined by the members or brothers of the fraternities. They had secrets or knowledge of the organization that only the brothers knew or understood and it was never revealed to those that weren’t members so the mysteries were not mysteries to all, only to the outsiders the same way true Christianity is only known by those that are indwelt by God and are true members of his body in Christ. So then as a result in Hebrews 11:1 Faith is the stuff that brings or transmits the proof of the thing we haven’t looked at yet but we know they are there because God says so to us personally and we believe Him above everything else! Does this help any I hope, CDBJ |
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373 | Where do giants come from? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 82130 | ||
That was beautiful, I was thinking the same exact same thing when I read the question and low and behold you responded with my answer. You and Hank should get along just fine; I love a good sense of humor! CDBJ | ||||||
374 | Was lazarus in heaven? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 82591 | ||
By your claiming that Lazarus was resurrected by Jesus, “he actually did die and Jesus did resurect him”, doesn’t that contradict Rev. 1:5? Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, This verse says that Jesus was the first begotten from the dead. If Lazarus was resurrected, then he couldn’t die again and he would live forever with that body that was resurrected and flesh and blood would inherit eternal life, which is a false statement. 1 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. I believe that Lazarus wasn’t resurrected, but instead he was resuscitated. I also believe that he later, unbeknown to us, died again and is now waiting along with the rest of the departed saints for the final calling out where the dead in Christ will rise first. 1 Thes. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: My two cents worth, CDBJ |
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375 | Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 not Satan! | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 83270 | ||
I think it would be a little more Scriptural to say that we are to resist the Devil and study the Word of God. 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. It just so happens that the Word of God describes our adversary to us of which few would recognize him as he really is because he doesn’t walk around with a red epidermis and a trident in his hand. There are many arrogant believers that are always saying, “The Devil made me do it” when they do something wrong. Like they are so high up on the scale that Satan would take time out to notice them personally. Ninety nine times out of a hundred they have an over active imagination and an old sin nature that’s working overtime. All the average believer needs to do is get out of fellowship for a while and then their old sin nature will takeover with out the Devils influence. All I am saying is that it helps to know how the enemy works, which consist of Satan and his emissary plus our old sin nature. Romans 7:15-25 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Keep short accounts, 1 John 1:9 CDBJ |
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376 | Error Corrected. You Can Post! | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 85805 | ||
Hi hank, What was going on with the blocking of postings? CDBJ |
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377 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 87746 | ||
Hello Radioman2, There are many who can’t seem to understand that the Bible is a very technical book and therefore we have combined terms to explain doctrines such as the trinity for clarity and most agree with this. Yet there is a biblical term that most are familiar with yet it didn’t even didn’t get started until the turn of the 18th century and everyone embraces it to the bitter end yet there is no solid biblical proof to back this phantom doctrine called the imminency of the rapture. What say you on this problem? CDBJ |
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378 | If He came today would He turn away fro | OT general | CDBJ | 23915 | ||
Greetings Rose, after reading your post is sounds like you have had a lot of practice in the realm of Christianity. Have you reached the level yet in your Christian experience, where lets say if you were to die very suddenly, would you still have to stand before God in judgment to determine if you have eternal life with Him? | ||||||
379 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | CDBJ | 107217 | ||
The question often arises, with regard to the term Trinity, how can there be three yet one? For sake of clarification lets say that God, as we know him, has certain characteristics, not all are listed here, but these ten are listed for sake of simple clarity; again, this is not a complete list but it's sufficient for the brief explanation. God is, as we know Him, sovereignty, righteousness, justice, love, eternal life, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immutability, and veracity. God is one in unity with all of these characteristics just mentioned. Whoever has All of these attributes is in fact God. It so happens that there are three separate personalities, and only three in existence, that have All of these attributes and for sake of accommodation, they are referred to in the Bible as, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. They have existed Together forever in eternity past and they will continue on forever into eternity future; the three personalities had no beginning, they always were and always will be. Anyone exhibiting All of the listed traits mentioned is God, it so happens that there are only three personalities in existence that posses All of these attributes. God is ONE IN ESSENCE but THREE IN PERSONALITIES. God decided in eternity past that one of these personalities, the one we call the Son, would take on the form of a man and be born into the human race, his name as a human, would be called Jesus. This one personality was going to place himself in a human body so that he could pay the high price that God demanded for sin, which is death. God just because of his essence as God, can’t die so he had to take on the body of a human and he only did it once for the purpose of dying for mankind. That why Jesus said what he did in, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. God was only going to do this one time and that one time was in the man Jesus the Christ. The Bible says that this one, who will come, will be recognized as God with us. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Jesus main object was to pay the price of death for mankind. Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Hebrews 1:2-3 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. When God the second person took on the form of a man it is referred to as the hypostatic union. (i.e.) Jesus is a one-of-a-kind being, 100 percent God and 100 percent man; he was the God man. He is different from the other two members of the God Head in that he is a man. He is different from mankind in that he is God. Even though Jesus was walking around on this Earth as a man, he was at the same time holding the Universe together by the power of his might as God. I hope this will settle a lot of the confusion about what is called the Trinity, which is not a word that is actually used in the Bible, but it is a term that has been coined to cover a fact of doctrine. Every technical subject uses a technical language. Just remember God is one in essence, but this essence is revealed in three separate personalities, making all three God, one God, three persons. Just like the old hymn says, God in three persons blessed Trinity. 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Have a great day,CDBJ |
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380 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | CDBJ | 107239 | ||
Thanks, that helps a bunch! I seen some of them wires once when I was a taken the team ta town. Well I sure ain’t gona play with any of them there high powered wires things now, if we ever gets electricity up ta the cabin! Now as fer them transformers, I done that one time with a coon that old blue caught; I transformed that critter into a hat. I knows what ya mean about the fire, that hat was sa warm it pert near burnt my ears off! You-all have a Merry Christmas anyway, I guess I am just dumber then I thunk I were, and you are so kind for pointing it out ta me, I might never a knowed! It sure am nice ta know we is all kin. Have a great day,CDBJ |
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