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1161 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | CDBJ | 75594 | ||
Friend, you sound like a very smart and enlightened individual and I would like to point a question to you that is rhetorical and doesn’t demand an answer. Of all the people in this world and all the knowledge of information they have, if it could to be measured, what portion of that whole do you suppose you would be blessed with? I hope, if you were honest, you would say a very infinitesimal part. That being the case, do you suppose it’s possible that there are some people out there that have had something revealed to them, from God, that hasn’t been revealed to you? Believe me when I tell you that you are barking up the wrong tree with the statement that you made. You stated, “I know that most people don't believe this because they've slipped down the slippery slope of 'total depravity', but the doctrine of eternal security is false”. Eternal security is non-existent and false to you because you haven’t got it yet! I believe that the grace of God and his plan for my eternal life are far greater then anything that I might do, that would cause me to lose it. If I thought I could loose eternal life I would be showing the epitome of arrogance by assuming that I could do something that God didn’t take into consideration when he saved me in the first place. It would be a slap in the face with regard to his omniscience. There is no sin, that in a time of weakness, I could commit that is so super that the death of Jesus didn’t take care of it. My savior is fantastic and thought of everything: Jesus did it all and the closer I get the more I realize it. 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. How good is good enough? CDBJ |
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1162 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | CDBJ | 75583 | ||
Greetings, It’s good to hear your testimony and how you came to Christ. I always have liked the story of Martin Luther and the struggle he went through before the Lord revealed the truth to him. He had tried every thing imaginable and could never gain the assurance of his salvation, until the Lord revealed to him the following Scripture. Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. There will be many that will try to dissuade you from faith along in Christ along but stand fast. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. There are many that have gone this route and the possibility is there or Paul wouldn’t have given the admonition. Some sure give convincing arguments, with Scripture, but when this happens we have to fall back on the simple truth of the gospel. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. I sure am glad that Paul used only the word believeth in this verse because it boils off all of the dross that man would like to add and leaves nothing but the pure fact. I always like to share a portion of truth found in the book of John regarding the whole reason behind John writing his book. John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. That verse 31 sure eliminates all of the extracurricular activity that people like to add. Keep up the study habit and, 1 Thes. 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. CDBJ |
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1163 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | CDBJ | 75526 | ||
Greetings srprimeaux, and welcome to the forum. You almost make it sound like you have put all your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and what he did for your salvation instead of trusting a little bit in some thing that you did, like baptism. I’m just pulling your chain you have it right and stick to it. You seem pretty sound for only having known the Lord for five years. You will run into many different types on this forum and not all are saved by biblical standards. Don’t let any sway you from a solid undivided faith in Jesus and you will fair out well. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Notice in verse 21; but he that doeth the will of my Father? People are always trying to explain what the will of God is and the works we should be doing in order to have salvation; such things like baptism, keeping the law etc. you name it. Jesus tells us very plainly the work that the Father wants us to do, and none of the assumed human efforts are listed. There was a well-meaning group that assumed they had to do something to be recognized in God’s eyes so they ask Jesus a question. John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. No baptism, no law, no self-righteousness, Jesus is saying in effect God doesn’t need your help to save you all you need to do is get your thinking straight and completely trust in the one God sent, His Son. With a plan like that Jesus gets all the credit and we can take none of the credit ourselves because of something we did. Have a nice Day, CDBJ |
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1164 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | CDBJ | 75464 | ||
Well you have quite a bit there to answer in one post but then again you have been a week doing it. I have even forgotten the subject, but that’s what happens when one gets up in years. You quoted Matthew 15:12 and you used the name (Yeshua) which looks nice but why would they refer to him that way when the New Testament was written in Greek and not Hebrew? Did you mean to say Iesous, oh well? You then stated, “Amazing, your striving days are over but Paul's were just beginning:” It is even better then amazing, it’s fantastic and to think God would reveal this to me blows my mind! Next you site Phillipians 3:11 "If by any means I might ATTAIN unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had ALREADY attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." Yes, I have a frame of reference for that OK because I am still in this old body and praising the Lord and still growing in grace; and I can hope with Paul that I will get done everything that God has for me to do even if it is spending time on this forum trying to help people see the truth that is in Christ Jesus with out works. Next you pointed out, Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your OWN SALVATION with FEAR AND TREMBLING." Yes, I can see where Paul didn’t just want just lip service, and the best examples would show up when he wasn’t right there watching them. He wants us to share with others what we have found to be true in Christ. And what we experienced through a total trust in Jesus with out our useless works of self-righteousness. Jesus said the same thing with reference to putting a light under a basket. But then again some haven’t experienced this yet because they are still trying to do something for their salvation. Surely you guest in this statement you made where I will conclude? “Maybe Paul should have read Hebrews 4:10 (out of context).” Paul was well ware of what Scripture was, he wrote it as Peter tells us. And some have problems with it because they twist it around. 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Have a nice day and the best to you, CDBJ |
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1165 | disciplerami when did you Bcome a sinner | Rom 5:12 | CDBJ | 75442 | ||
Greetings, the doctrine of the old sin nature is pretty much cut and dried in all of the Christian circles, that I have come in contact with, yet out of the blue here comes something new. If according to what you have been taught, we are not sinners until we commit the first act of sin, wouldn’t it be possible that Christ wouldn’t have had to come into the world to die for us, since there were some here that could have died as a substitute, that were sinless? All God would have had to do was pour out all the sins of the world on to that person before they became a sinner. Do you suppose that Paul was wrong when he said, Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Maybe all doesn’t really me all and the babies are excluded. They wouldn’t even have had to be babies to be sinless because of a verse in John. John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. Could this mean that there were those that Jesus was talking about that were sinless, our do you suppose that is pulling it out of context a little? Anytime we think we have the correct logic, for any specific doctrine, and that logic is thwarted by other Scripture it means we haven’t found the common denominator for that logic to be plausible. 2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: It would appear that you are confusing the word sins with the word sin. It is hard to detect the differentiation with the English but in essence we commit sins because we have sin, as a nature, that is in us from birth. It is apparent that our old sin nature resides in the cell structure of our bodies according what Paul has told us. Romans 7:17-18 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Paul has become aware that he is in position of two natures and one is in conflict with the other constantly, but there will come a time when the sin nature, residing in the body, will be done away with and Paul knew who to thank. Romans 7:20-25 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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1166 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75360 | ||
I am still mixed up! I put Searcher's name on it but it was supposed to be addressed to you so I was right in sending it to you but I put the wrong name on it. P.S. lets start Over!! I sure am glad the Lord is in control. CDBJ |
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1167 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75359 | ||
It was supposed to go to Searcher, sorry about that! To many buttons for this old guy I guess? | ||||||
1168 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75254 | ||
The ones that will suffer the wrath of God are going to be those that are left after the rapture takes place, with the exception of the 144,000 that have the seal of God in their forehead. 2 Thes. 1:4-10 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; Don’t confuse the tribulation that Paul speaks of here with the tribulation that we will face. The tribulation that is referred to here is explained in the following verse and it’s a vengeance of fire from God. 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. The grafiting back in, that will take place, of the Jews is from the 144,000 that are protected in the Rev.7. The times of the gentile will be over, just as Paul talked of in Romans. Rev. 7:2-4 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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1169 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75244 | ||
No true believer will have to suffer ANY of the wrath of God! For the pretrib. theory to work, they say that we will be removed before the tribulation takes place because I Thes. 5:9 is very explicit, which I agree, we will not suffer God’s wrath! What people fail to understand is that everything that takes place in Matthew 24 and all of the seals, up to the 6th seal in Revelation, are the workings of mankind under the guise of Satan’s man, the antichrist, and his cohorts, it is NOT the wrath of God! 1 Thes. 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Coupling that previous verse with I Thess. 3:4 presents a problem with the pretrib. position. 1 Thes. 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. Believers are going to think some strange thing is happening to them when the tribulation hits because they weren’t supposed to be here for that problem, according to what we have been taught, and I myself was of that camp. Believers in general are doing the exact opposite of what Christ told them along with Paul and Peter, we are being deceived into believing that we won’t be here during the beginning of sorrow and the great tribulation. Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. Peter affirms to us that it will happen and notice that right after the warning it speaks of the glory that will be revealed, that’s the rapture. It is my firm position that the wrath of God will come on the very same day that we are caught up into glory. It will be the most spectacular sight and event that this world has ever experienced; not some secret removal of God's elect! Every one alive on the face of the earth will see God coming back in a blaze of glory when he dispels the darkness, that will be enshroud the earth on that day. The earth will be encircled by darkness and then by some miraculous mean God will draw the cloud cover away like a scroll snapping back and there in all His brilliance will be Almighty God along with his angels of fire. We, the believers, will be looking up and praising God for cutting our persecution short and coming to our rescue. The unbelievers will be looking down for a cave or a den of rocks to hide in, to try and get away from His presence and hide from His face. Then there will be the loud sound of a trumpet, that will likely shake the earth, and believers from every tongue and people and nation will be changed in a moment into thier new bodies and will rise up to meet the Lord in the air. After we rise up, and the commotion stops, there will be dead silence for one half hour where everything will be still and then Revelation chapter 8 will resume with the beginning of God’s wrath. God’s wrath starts with fire, and gets continually worse. This is a short rendition of the way I see it, If you want chapter and verse to back it all up, peace by peace, let me know and I will more then glad to share it. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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1170 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75191 | ||
Hello disciplerami; The answer to your question is no I don’t think they are the same. A good source of information as far as a helpful commentary on the book of Revelation can be found free on the Internet. It is hard to find someone who has broken down the Revelation so that it has any semblance of something that can be clearly understood. Check out the following. revelationcommentary.org.url also http://www.solagroup.org/ I don’t know that I understand what you are trying to say here, “My understanding is that the fiery judgment will happen at his second coming, and this world will be toast.” Are you assuming that this is the end of the earth or what? CDBJ |
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1171 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75190 | ||
Hello disciplerami, the answer to your question is no I don’t think they are. A good source of information as far as a helpful commentary on the book of Revelation can be found free on the Internet. It is hard to find someone who has broken down the Revelation so that it has any semblance of something that can be clearly understood. Check out the following. revelationcommentary.org.url and www.solagroup.org This has helped me a lot. CDBJ |
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1172 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75134 | ||
Hello John, I think another portion of scripture backs up what you have suggested. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. At the time of harvest there is a process where the wheat was separated from the chaff. It was a difficult process and the wheat got pretty well beat up in the process but it sure separated the good stuff from the bad stuff and there was no mistaking the good from the bad from then on. The chaff was segregated into bundles to be burned and the wheat was stored safely in the barn. Once the wheat was secured the workers went back out and set fire to what was left and the fields were made ready for the next season. The whole process was a period called the time of harvest. The coming of Christ, 2 Thes. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, The word translated coming, is the word PAROUSIA in the original, and it isn’t a verb but a noun, it is an event. The event starts with what we know as the rapture and continues up to the time that God sets up his kingdom here on earth. Just like the first coming of Christ consisted of an allotted number of years to finish his work so his second coming will be an event which will consist of many different actions in a given time period. That what I believe, CDBJ |
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1173 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75131 | ||
I see a little mistake in your post. "I doubt that anyone else on this forum believes as I do, but there you have it." I think that the rapture of God’s saints and the wrath of God will happen on the same day. As soon as we are lifted up to safety the angels of God will start to pour out the trumpet judgments. 2 Thes. 1:6-10 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. Verse 10 gives us the time of this recovery and wrath; glorified in his saints is the rapture or taking out. It all happened on the same day, just as Jesus said. Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Luke 17:28-29 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. The timing of Lot’s departure was so close that he could probably feel the heat on his backside. It would be interesting if someone would do a series on those left behind in Sodom! I think where people get mixed up is when they confuse the vengeance of Satan through man with the wrath of God. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. I don’t believe that the wrath of God starts until Revelation chapter 8 when the 7th seal is opened. CDBJ |
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1174 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 75020 | ||
Then you don’t agree with the idea that when Jesus said you must be born again that he wasn’t referring to man’s spirit as that part of Adam that died in the garden? If that is the case then being able to see the Kingdom of God isn’t speaking of perception but actual visual contact. If what you are suggesting is true then why would Paul suggest that all this had to take place after their faith Christ. Col. 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; Couldn’t this spiritual understanding have come before salvation if they had a living spirit? I have been always been lead to believe that the Dichotomist man couldn’t perceive the things of God because he didn’t have a living spirit. 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man (psuchikos) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Isn’t the psuchi the soul part of man? Spiritually discerned, i.e. his receiver wasn’t in working order, he doesn’t understand the signals that are being conveyed. Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. I hope we can talk more on this, unless this is getting in to the old A. verses C. thing, in which case I will drop it. CDBJ |
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1175 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 75014 | ||
Hi Tim, It me again, I agree with you 100 per. on your statement, “where there is human life, there is a soul.” Could you answer that part of my question that I ask in my last post? “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Adam was warned that he would die (the day) that he ate of the fruit. We know that he lived to be over 930 years old then died physically, and that being the case something had to have died the day that he ate the fruit and it wasn’t his body.” What was it that died and that Jesus said had to be born again if it wasn’t the spirit? It has always been my impression that it was through the human spirit that we are able to communicate to God and this wasn’t functioning until the rebirth took place. |
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1176 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 75000 | ||
Greetings Tim, I don’t know as I have ever heard that response before regarding the soul, you stated, “Personally, I don't believe that we 'have' a soul. I believe that we have a spiritual nature and a physical nature, and that these two together make us a living soul.” I’m sure you have an answer for the following, see that you know your Bible so well? Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Adam was warned that he would die (the day) that he ate of the fruit. We know that he lived to be over 930 years old then died physically, and that being the case something had to have died the day that he ate the fruit and it wasn’t his body. The Bible tell us the there is a division between the soul and the spirit and it’s distinguishable through the use of God’s Word. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. I was always under the impression that all born believers were in agreement on this issue now you are throwing this old boy a curve. Would you care to express your view on this, I’m confused? CDBJ |
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1177 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 74967 | ||
Hello Tim; Your first point suggested sub class. Why would they be sub class? Your second point mentions using parts. Aren’t we in fact doing that now with hearts, livers, eyes and what all? Your third point, birth, you did away with yourself because the birth isn’t the focal point but the moment that the cells started to divide. According to the forum reasoning, at least to those that jumped down my throat, all that is needed for human soul life is an activated blastocyst with any of the DNA composite of the one to be cloned. Science would even have the ability to bring people back from the dead with this approach. Now wouldn’t that be kick in the seat of the pants? Who knows what this could develop into? Rev. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. This was where I was trying to go with this but I figured that I better cool it. I don’t know if you read all the post or not but I set myself up apparently as a target. People assumed that I was the opposition and they weren’t going to miss their chance to fire away. Talk about judging ones motives, I never had a chance, CDBJ |
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1178 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 74934 | ||
Well PJC, you are probable the first one on the forum that hasn’t tried to jump down my throat and you gave a simple explanation of what you presume to be right. Just for sake of definition, hackles are the hairs on a dog’s neck and back that bristle up when the dog is ready to fight. From what I have noticed over the past day I would have been better off to have said that I was opening Pandora’s box! Believers are so certain of this subject that I couldn’t even lead into what my major motive was. I was to busy fending off the arrows that were flying. I finally decided that it would be a better idea just to drop the subject because there are too many that can’t handle it. That’s why I used the closing of love trumps knowledge, which I was also ridiculed for saying. It is not right for me to pursue a topic that causes everyone on the forum to vibrate! After all of the responses that I got and the deviation from my original Comment, “when a human being actually received the human soul, clearly separating biological from soul life.” My whole point seems rather nebulas and abstruse at this time, kind of like seeing the forest for the trees. If everyone on this forum feels the way they do about when human life and when it actually receives the human soul, and it appears that all who responded do, what the big deal over cloning? Cloning to going to happen one of these days, if it hasn’t already. If it has a human soul at the point of cell division, which is what every one was so quick to claim then what is the big deal! We won’t have a leg to stand on, excuse the pun, CDBJ |
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1179 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 74933 | ||
Well PJC, you are probable the first one on the forum that hasn’t tried to jump down my throat and you gave a simple explanation of what you presume to be right. Just for sake of definition, hackles are the hairs on a dog’s neck and back that bristle up when the dog is ready to fight. From what I have noticed over the past day I would have been better off to have said that I was opening Pandora’s box! Believers are so certain of this subject that I couldn’t even lead into what my major motive was. I was to busy fending off the arrows that were flying. I finally decided that it would be a better idea just to drop the subject because there are too many that can’t handle it. That’s why I used the closing of love trumps knowledge, which I was also ridiculed for saying. It is not right for me to pursue a topic that causes everyone on the forum to vibrate! After all of the responses that I got and the deviation from my original Comment, “when a human being actually received the human soul, clearly separating biological from soul life.” My whole point seems rather nebulas and abstruse at this time, kind of like not seeing the forest for the trees. If everyone on this forum feels the way they do about when human life and when it actually receives the human soul, and it appears that all who responded do, what's the big deal over cloning? Cloning to going to happen one of these days, if it hasn’t already. If it has a human soul at the point of cell division, which is what every one was so quick to claim, then what is the big deal! We won’t have a leg to stand on, excuse the pun, CDBJ |
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1180 | When is abortion right? | Ex 21:23 | CDBJ | 74902 | ||
You have completely blown this out of proportion and you are mentioning things that I never even suggested. Why don't I give you my address and you can plant a bomb under my house or something along those lines if it will make you feel better? For the last time, take a hint, please drop the subject CDBJ |
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